Anonymous attacks whitehouse.gov after taking down Department of Justice and others

reply to post by michael1983l


The only real difference between youtube and MU(in this particular line of reasoning) is You tube doesn't tell you how or give you the tools to rip the sound off the video. And just because one outlet gets away with it and another doesn't, doesn't excuse the former.

reply to post by Gigatronix



You are right, Youtube is far worse. It actually hosts the illigal content and streams it for its users.

Originally posted by hapablab

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by InsideYourMind

Originally posted by hapablab
This is a false flag if I ever seen one, SOPA and PIPA fail so lets create a cyberwar to prove how important they are.

Far from it, this is very real. No good turning everything into a conspiracy.

What are we going to do? Allow them to walk over "our internet", remove sites at will and we can all sit down and not make a peep?

I fully agree.

Seriously, what is the point that some people are trying to make by saying that this is a false flag on Anonymous' part? Perhaps these people also believe that wars will end if people hold hands and sing songs.

As far as I am concerned, you're either with the revolution or against it.

No honestly I don't put anything past our government, Yesterday SOPA and PIPA fail and today this, just connecting some dots, If I'm wrong Im wrong, and what's with that last sentence about holding hands and singing, Im no hippy and I don't get that connection lmao.

I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand your whole plan for retaining internet freedom. It does involve some action and not just skeptical words, right?

reply to post by whatsinaname


ATS would be at risk because they allow their users to use copyrighted content. If you are linking to a video that normally you would have to pay to see, then what's the difference? You don't need to use copyrighted materials to share ideas and have meaningful debates. Sure it helps, but when it comes down to being on the right side or the wrong side of the law, that's for the owners of ATS to decide how they wanna play that.

reply to post by UkRandom


OK you're gonna have to show me something that shows that the US is ignoring more serious cybercrimes in favor of going after filesharers. If we don't want them to have jurisdiction over MU guys in New Zealand, then how can we expect them to go after hackers outside of our jurisdiction?

Originally posted by Gigatronix
reply to post by UkRandom

 

OK you're gonna have to show me something that shows that the US is ignoring more serious cybercrimes in favor of going after filesharers. If we don't want them to have jurisdiction over MU guys in New Zealand, then how can we expect them to go after hackers outside of our jurisdiction?

well depends if you think copyright music videos etc is more damaging than dealing in credit card fraud and a lot worse
that pic i put up previous is nothing compared to whats going on in certain places
there is endless data regarding peoples details from all walks of life
from average joes to cops and more
that picture i showed you every federal bureau on this planet knows where it is and what goes on yet they do nothing now why would that be?

as i said i guess the USA deems copyright music more of an issue than serious crime such as fraud murder and everything inbetween

if i told you there is human experiments going on would you believe me or think im mearley a fool?

strange planet we live on if thats how it is

reply to post by Gigatronix


your really not getting this and this is my last reply to you. youtube has material that is illegal through no fault of their own or ats, ats links to videos on youtube, lets assume zero copywrited materials got through on ats' side, would still get shut down for linking to youtube which does have copywrited materials, AND like I already said cannot physically deal with themselves because its physically impossible to check that much data.

if you still don't get it tough.

ed: basically its an excuse for the government to do whatever the heck the please with the internet, watch enemy of the state if you -really- don't get it (which is related to privacy instead of freedoms, but freedom to have privacy is similar to the freedom of speach.)


ed: if you want proof the us government isn't doing anything about cybercrime, how about the fact the people that are hacking them (anon) took down darknet a while back, and 'the man' did nothing to aid (that said I never heard any complaint about that one either.)

reply to post by whatsinaname


You're talking about the ramifications of a bill that is not in place. I am talking about the theft of protected materials that is already happening. I agree that SOPA/PIPA is bad, there has to be better ways of dealing with this problem. But the root cause of this problem stems from people taking what isn't theirs. Whether its a website looking the other way while it's members trade files, or a website so huge it can't possibly see everything that's happening, the point remains the same: People are stealing protected content, and either you do something about it, or let the big bad government use it's heavy hand to smash everything. I don't really don't want this anymore than you do. But how do you stop people from stealing without holding up the whole damn internet in the process. If you have an answer for this then I suggest you head to Capitol Hill and spare us all the frustration of the government throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

reply to post by Gigatronix


thats pretty deep man, the only answer I have is to look at the history of copywrite itself and ask was it all nessicarry? which stems to money, and its always about the money. art should be free to the world, but hard work should be rewarded, where do we draw the line? and how do we come to this agreement with the whole world, since thats what the internet represents?

sorry if I came across a bit too much in my previous comment, I haven't had vibes this bad since the missing uranium thing was posted.

ed: boils down through those points the question is really why is it that people arn't buying all the things they enjoy and downloading what they can instead? me thinks the current global situation does not help matters. a workable answer to your question would be to change sopa to prevent misuse but, name one of us who trusts the government of whatever country take your pick to ensure it is not misused.


ed: an example I can think of is DLC content for games, if its already on the disk somewhere should we not own and use this content? what is it that we are purchasing? we have only the right to participate, not to colaborate and enhance the gameplay ourselves, such is the beauty of open source and sandbox environments. I would like to one day create a game comparable to maybe the next gen once we get there, spend some to make some, but im sure as heck not intenting to rip off my fan base in the process, I had the same moral issues with music once I learned about the industry through college, the band isn't the one who makes the most cash unless you are indie produced, something about all of it needs to be fixed, the internet is just another extension of issues, however communication is tied in with everything else, and if everyone is scattered from their usual spots in the process no ones going to care about facebook, they are going to wish they got their overseas pals adresses before anonymous communication was outlawed by mistake in the name of saving face for the bankers.

thats all I can think of right now, my other issue with all this is someones going to jail for protecting basic rights and some people with military on speed dial are probably getting trigger happy so to speak with their cell. peace basically, I strive for peace but there is only conflict =(

reply to post by UkRandom


Here's the thing. Get people to stop stealing stuff and the Anti Cybercrime Division(or whatever it is) will have less things to worry about. The logic you seem to be using is we should let people steal and get away with it because there are people doing worse things. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are multiple divisions and departments of people all over working the whole spectrum of cybercrime, from online bullying to online stock trading fraud to filesharing to kiddie porn. It is my view that we should have a defense on all fronts, not a prioritized defense that leaves gaping holes on our backside. If we just ignore filesharing and go after the big targets, whos to say that the unattended problem doesn;t grow and multiply and become unmanageable in time, possibly mutating into an avenue of attack from people looking for an unlocked back door?

Originally posted by Gigatronix
reply to post by UkRandom

 

Here's the thing. Get people to stop stealing stuff and the Anti Cybercrime Division(or whatever it is) will have less things to worry about. The logic you seem to be using is we should let people steal and get away with it because there are people doing worse things. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are multiple divisions and departments of people all over working the whole spectrum of cybercrime, from online bullying to online stock trading fraud to filesharing to kiddie porn. It is my view that we should have a defense on all fronts, not a prioritized defense that leaves gaping holes on our backside. If we just ignore filesharing and go after the big targets, whos to say that the unattended problem doesn;t grow and multiply and become unmanageable in time, possibly mutating into an avenue of attack from people looking for an unlocked back door?

i do not condone nor endorse any kind of theft be that online or offline
im just tryin 2 say there are much bigger fish to fry out there than ppl who illegally download music
and believe it or not its not just average joes who are purpetrating seriously illegal crimes online
the people in trust such as law enforcement have a very nice hand in it too
so it will no doubt allways continue
and for leaving the problem unatended till it grows into something unnstoppable
i think the fact that Anon are handing the goverments @$$ to them proves that has happend

as i said tho i cannot stress enough how much i do not agree with theft online or offline
i spend countless hours trying to prevent this from happening to people

Originally posted by UkRandom
im just tryin 2 say there are much bigger fish to fry out there than ppl who illegally download music

You might be right there, but this country is run by Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch and similar bastards.
The fact that SOPA even exists and was/is considered to make it * into law * is proof enough.

How long does it take people to realize who really runs the USA?

reply to post by whatsinaname


I will be the first to tell you that copyright law is in need of some serious work. I don't want anyone to think I am defending the record companies and movie studios, because I'm not. But the reality is that the process of taking an idea in somebodies head and coming out the other end with a finished project requires investments, hard work by people that don;t really get any of the glory but are instrumental to achieving the end result. All those people can expect for their hard work is a pay check. So given that there are costs associated all the way up and down the line, there has to be a cost associated with acquiring the finished product. By stealing that end result, you are essentially giving a big middle finger to all the people that went to school and spent their own time and money so that they could play their little(but absolutely essential) part in bringing you the content you enjoy. It is only natural that they want some kind of protection to assure that they're blood sweat and tears isn;t lost on some kid who can't be bothered to plop down a measely 10 dollars for an album that could provide them with a lifetime of enjoyment.

wow, just WOW, stealing? Really? please look up the definition of stealing, copying and infringement and quit drinking the Coporate Koolaid.

As to taking down TV that's EASY, take the electrical grid down, I wonder what would happen if Washington DC lost it's electrical power for a few weeks, or the entire eastern seaboard or better yet the east and west coast at the same time.


this is WAR folks, the battle has Just begun, and sorry but Copy"right" is really just a Grant that can be given, and is truly abridged by the First Amendment. that's why freedom of speech comes FIRST, not copy"right" then the first amendment.

Sure I would like to see copy infringement gone Just give us a list so we can see what is and is not infringement, simple Huh? (but that would require work.)

The next step folks is Walmart costing you 10$ just to walk into the door cause ya know you are all thieves and we get stolen from everyday so you should pay to come into the store.

wait they pay for their OWN security, so why can't the MPAA/RIAA pay for their own? Oh that's right it would eat into profits.


Ya know most stores in the world can tell you, almost to the Penny, how much was stolen from them.

Show the figures for piracy cause you stole it an all it should be Very easy to give an exact figure, right?, if it was stolen

Oh right it was copied not stolen, funny they have to ESTIMATE the LOSS. so it can be all the money in the world or nothing at all.

So, if you cannot quote exact figures it is REALLY a problem? show me the problem.

Avatar made 1.8 BILLION dollars worldwide, I'm certain some folks saw it without paying for it, so how much did they Lose?


musicians ( not music labels ) are making record amounts of Money online (look it up)

Hollywood as a whole has made record profits over the last few years, so why is "piracy" a problem again?

they want all of us to shut up and follow the "party" (Monied) Line, nothing more and nothing less.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

the Time is NOW, the war HAS begun


Edit to add: the BEST way to end Piracy, is to ABOLISH copyright

reply to post by UkRandom


If you think the government is wasting its time dealing with filesharers, how do you feel about them having to waste time trying to figure out what some miscreant hackers are up to? If the system for dealing with cybercrime is already bottlenecked and out of whack as it is, Anon is just adding to it for no reason other than to be part of the problem and not part of the solution. Jacking around with the government and private websites only paints a big huge target on their head, while also making them look bad to people that couldnt give a rats rump about filesharing. If they really wanted to do something meaningful they'd be hacking into politicians/big business personal files and exposing corruption and evil agendas. Flooding websites that have little to nothing to do with MU's problems is the equivalent of having a childish temper tantrum.

reply to post by UkRandom


I just said almost the same thing in the thread about MU. Our privacy and security and and our money's security (particularly in the U.S. and not so much the UK from what I understand) and our not-for-profit data and ideas that corporations make gazillions on by mining and using and selling, our government doesn't give a flying fig about....but when it comes to the corporations squeezing that last penny out the same consumer...all barrels blazing. What a freaking world.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
A lot, if not the vast majority, of this stuff is already free if I remember to set my DVR or is available for free and legally on 10000 other sites...it's simply a matter of convenience as to when and where I will watch. The corporations fighting this for the most part aren't losing billions or even millions...they're just being deprived of squeezing every last nickel out of the consumer because they're greedy for more more more. They won't provide commercial-free or on-demand material because they are GREEDY. Clearly that is not what the people want...to be enslaved to their times and their commercials and their exorbitant profit margins.

They don't have or control the highway or the willingness and are too bull-headed to partner reasonably, so I don't have an ounce of sympathy for them. Their business models are obsolete. Their payment paradigms are old (not to mention GREEDY) and they've ripped off plenty of artists and consumers over the years, so I'd call that karma. In some cases, the artists suffer a bit, but contracts should be changing by now, as information and the world is. Maybe if their high-priced legal teams could get the dollar signs out of their eyes they could work out some compromises and really define fair use fairly.

And to have the government doing their dirty work for them because they're throwing a hissy? Intolerable. Go Anonymous!

As for MegaUpload, torrentfreak.com...

As for SOPA/PIPA? Parts of the bill I like...as in the privacy parts of my not-for-profit content that corporations like Google and others make billions from by using and mining OUR data. But that's a whole other story, and of course it's not us that the corporment wants or is paid to protect.

Originally posted by Gigatronix
reply to post by UkRandom

 

If you think the government is wasting its time dealing with filesharers, how do you feel about them having to waste time trying to figure out what some miscreant hackers are up to? If the system for dealing with cybercrime is already bottlenecked and out of whack as it is, Anon is just adding to it for no reason other than to be part of the problem and not part of the solution. Jacking around with the government and private websites only paints a big huge target on their head, while also making them look bad to people that couldnt give a rats rump about filesharing. If they really wanted to do something meaningful they'd be hacking into politicians/big business personal files and exposing corruption and evil agendas. Flooding websites that have little to nothing to do with MU's problems is the equivalent of having a childish temper tantrum.

anon has put lots of info out there sadly most people dont know how to access it
im not talking about what you and me are typing on right now
what you see of the internet is Nothing compared to whats actually out there
im talking of places where search engines dont exist where to even get there you must be truly anonymous
the world wide web as you know it is only about %20 of the true scale of whats out
ya just gotta know where to look
its a breeding ground for hackers crackers and everything else you can imagine

as for anon having a target on its head..you cannot catch what you cannot see
i dont expect you to understand what im on about let alone to grasp exactly whats in the darkness of the net
anon will continue and lets see over time how many get arrested
i guarantee the big hitters will still be around for a long time to come
anon are bombing sites in protest of this whole "the usa will decide what your allowed to see"
lets see who wins the war

i will say 1 thing tho if you think the cause of this latest attack from Anon is from "miscreant hackers "
think again
some of these people do a lot of good for users like yourself

i ask you this..do you run a firewall/internet security
if the answer is yes well some of these miscreant hackers made that possible
contrary to popular belief Anon members aint basement dwelling pre pubescent teens
there profesional people by day

reply to post by thedigirati


So when you create an awesome song or movie, you are doing it for the love of humanity and expect no compensation for doing so? And this movie or song you created, you'll be paying for the marketing and distribution all by yourself right? And you'll be doing EVERY SINGLE aspect of the creation yourself right, nobody is gonna help you? And if anybody does help you, you'll be paying for that yourself right? Or you'll find people that are willing to work for free?

When you do all that let us know so we can see how good it turns out

reply to post by Gigatronix


I do it daily, I have over 4 gigabytes of pics I have taken all by myself. (like my Avatar to the left as an example)I write stories and give them away for free, I am currently making a video. I am also a certified Chef, and work in a Soup Kitchen. I also ran an PC repair shop for 8 years out of my home. ANYTHING, that is digital is free. I have sold 1 picture to an Art Gallery in Austin Texas for 2500$. ( he sought me out because he saw some of my pics in Yahoo) I am a driver for a living and I'm certain by your Monetary standards I am "poor". I do not "create" for gain, never have and never will. art is for arts sake ya know the "starving artist" syndrome.

I do NOT expect payment for anything digital, I have my needs met and have a loving wife (the model for the pic to the left) I was in the Marines and held a Top Secret Clearance. I have my own fans both at my current Job and online and I share my efforts for the JOY of creation.


"the love of money is the root of all evil"

I have never worried about money or Jobs. I would rather share with a million people than have 10 pay me a $1000.

Creation is not a "JOB" if it is, it's not art ( look at the latest rehashed Hollywood movies lately I mean they remade dark shadows AGAIN )



I also "work" here as a Document Archivist ( that little badge under my Avatar ) I don't get paid for that either, Just so you have a resource to check out, and it's FREE

reply to post by geobro


some ral eye opening video. thank you for posting this site. my only problem with the video. when he shows the occupy footage and the guys who are always filming when tshtf and just happen to be at every bad moment. it is obvious they are instigating and getting and showing their perspective. i know how to deal with these kind of people. it is not exposing them on youtube. u get someone like __ they dont know and ask if __ i wanna help my country, and this person walks non chalantly behind them and puts one thru their head. this is what they deserve.