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reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 12:25 PM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Ron is ignored because in the debates CNN is controlled by interests that Ron is not interested in. So is Fox news. They have their own agenda. The Banks control the media, and Ron wants to do away with the federal reserve that is why the media ignores him, not because of his policies which are spot on perfect.

If it is comes down to Newt vs Ron Paul in the end who do you think is gonna win in the debates. Ron is gonna call him all out.

Did you see the video in which Newt said that there should be terrorist attacks in America? Do you remember 9.11?
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When the polling numbers come out for Hillary, she will blow away Newt, Romney, Santorum &
Ron Paul.

That's when Obama will head out to the golf course.

Why do think this poll was even conducted???

Hillary Polling Well


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 12:57 PM by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012



I am not here to tell you which candidate to vote for, but I would like to point out the rhetoric and propaganda that you have used throughout this thread.



Obama is The Food Stamp President and the Keystone Pipeline Job Destroyer!


You have made this statement many times! First thing we have to look at is that the economy was trending downward when Obama took office. Obama continued the expensive wars and Bush economic policies after he came into office. That is exactly what McCain would have done had he been elected.

So indirectly you are making the case for a different tax/spending structure than what the Republicans put in place, and making the case for ending all oversees expenditures. Which candidate does that sound like?

The Keystone pipeline is not a black and white issue as you make it seem. Over 60% of the nation was against the pipeline. Add to that the fact that Nebraska residents overwhelmingly said they were not willing to let the pipeline be run through their state, and you have a very complicated issue.

Let's also not forget that there are a myriad of known/unknown environmental and health issues surrounding the pipeline that have not been answered. So it would be silly to move forward on a project that has the potential to fail horribly. Kind of like Solyndra!

Also, if we are going to be consistent in our conservative beliefs, why would we allow big government to dictate power over a private venture? Private companies have to "sell" the idea to all of the people and communities effected. What you are asking the government top do is allow big government to dictate what a corporation can or cannot do without listening to the will of the people.

So the real question is: Are you actually a conservative?



Ron Pauls position on Iran is adolescent. Of all the candidates Ron Paul stands alone. No one agrees with him.


I agree with him. Many other people do as well. So your argument is false.

When I was in school, it was the immature bullies that picked fights with the smart/quiet kids so they could boost their own self-esteem and look tough. Apply that same way of thinking to modern politics and it seems that the people cheering to invade or bomb Iran are the numbskull adolescents.

Ron Paul stands alone? Good! I'm glad we actually have a choice that doesn't mirror everyone else on the ticket. What your statement proves is that Newt, Romney and Santorum are one in the same. No difference between them at all. Sure their delivery is different, but their ideas are the same.



The United States stands with Israel.


Why is that? Do you know why the US stand with Israel so closely? Is it because they have similar interests in economies and political structure? No, it's because Israel uses their Jewish heritage as a tool against those who do not support Israel, and the US cant be seen as being anti-semetic(sp). Its because they are Jewish pal. Like it or not, its all about religion. Something out forefathers warned us about.



Lets just go preemptively attack Iran. That's it. No one wants Iran to have a nuclear bomb. The rest of the world would cheer us on if we grabbed the nukes away from Iran.


No, I believe that the US would have a certain section of the world that would see this as the final straw, our actions would have finally proven to the world that we are an overly-aggressive bully, and we risk the chance that Russia, China and other nations would respond. We do not have the full support of the world to intervene in Iran. But we sure do think it's our business to do so, don't we?

Let me close this post by saying that I respect your opinion, and you have the right to express it. I would only suggest that you look into all facts and historical references that pertain to these issues. You would see that the road we are taking, and the propaganda that people talk is quickly bringing us to the next "fall of Rome" when the US oversteps its bounds.

You , sir, are speaking propaganda! You are making wild claims that cannot be proven or are not rooted in fact. Be very careful when you regurgitate talking points and quirky lines from Fox News personalities! You are in effect helping perpetuate the next step towards WW3.

Thanks
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reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:04 PM by disfugured
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Ron Paul wants to wait for the nuke to go off in one of our major cities and THEN go get who did it! Bad idea. When are the Ron Paul Zombies going to wake up? Being an isolationist is a recipe for disaster.


I disagree!

I believe what the Un-United States of America is doing now is isolationistic (I made up the word.. because I can)! You think bombing/raping/Embezzling/cheating/lying/brainwashing/murdering/dictating/assassinating/torturing/preemptive warring/ warring without a declaration/spying/ignoring the constitution/starving/poisoning/conspiring...ect.. is bringing your country closer to other nations?

NO!

Ron Paul is the exact opposite of that belief and because of it.. it will bring ties closer to other nations of this world. The USA needs Ron Paul! Because the empire of the world right now is still the USA; The world NEEDS Ron Paul!


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:16 PM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by disfugured
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Ron Paul wants to wait for the nuke to go off in one of our major cities and THEN go get who did it! Bad idea. When are the Ron Paul Zombies going to wake up? Being an isolationist is a recipe for disaster.


I disagree!

I believe what the Un-United States of America is doing now is isolationistic (I made up the word.. because I can)! You think bombing/raping/Embezzling/cheating/lying/brainwashing/murdering/dictating/assassinating/torturing/preemptive warring/ warring without a declaration/spying/ignoring the constitution/starving/poisoning/conspiring...ect.. is bringing your country closer to other nations?

NO!

Ron Paul is the exact opposite of that belief and because of it.. it will bring ties closer to other nations of this world. The USA needs Ron Paul! Because the empire of the world right now is still the USA; The world NEEDS Ron Paul!



It will never happen.

I'll be glad when the reality distortion field gets turned off for you November 2012.



reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:16 PM by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012



If you would be so kind as to respond to my post, I would be grateful.

Thanks!


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:17 PM by Eurisko2012
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Go ahead and vote for Ron Paul. Good luck.

BTW, the United States stands with Israel. Anyways has and always will.
That will never change. Get over it.
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reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:21 PM by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012



I was hoping for a little bit more reciprocation on the issues. There are many posts in this thread in which you made specific claims as to why Newt is the man to vote for. I made comments to the contrary. If you are going to sway my opinion and make your case here on ATS, you have to show me where I am wrong or misguided.

So please, lets discuss the issues and see if you can make your case.

ETA:

BTW, the United States stands with Israel. Anyways has and always will. That will never change. Get over it.


Ok, why? There is a reason and I would like to know why you come to that conclusion.

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reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:34 PM by Eurisko2012
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Because no one else will.

The United States is a Judeo-Christian nation.

We helped form the state of Israel after World War 2.

They are surrounded by enemies. They need our help and we give it to them gladly.


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 01:56 PM by sheepslayer247
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Actually, the US is a nation of many different people, faiths or lack thereof. Our founders specifically warned against religious zealotry and control of government. So be very careful claiming the US is a Judeo-Christian nation because you alienate everyone else (a majority) of those whom do not fall into that particular category.

So the relationship you claim we have with Israel would be, in fact, contradictory to the spirit of the constitution.



They are surrounded by enemies.


Do you know why their neighbors are not friendly to Israel?



Will you please comment on the issues I brought up in my first post?


reply posted on 21-1-2012 @ 02:08 PM by Eurisko2012
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This is Ron Pauls last shot.

In 2016 Ron Paul will be 81 years old!

What then? I think Newt will be an 8 year president.

- Newt Getting Standing Ovations -
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