reply to post by colbe
It's God's teaching forever. He decides life and death not us, He created you and and He decides when He will take you home, the
littlest, most innocent home to Him too.
So why are you using - with all due respect - a failed and imcomplete understanding of this one issue to shoulder aside a candidate who defends
indisputable life, for those who advocate war, sanctions that kill, and all sorts of limits on liberty otherwise? Rick Santorum is a fear-driven
warmonger, and the rest fall not far behind him - you speak of pro-life, but operate in the most backwards understanding of it.
A miscarriage is God's action. Contraception is a selfish act for pleasure. Sex is for marriage and procreation, both.
I have to disagree - if you're going to attribute a miscarriage to God's direct action (which doesn't even apply to lack of fetal implantation in
the uterus, two very different things), then you have to say that every chance thing is his direct action, which I have to argue. Yes, god designed
these processes, but they are natural processes and I do not believe that he personally crafts every one specifically - otherwise he is equally
responsible for every cast of the dice, every spin of the wheel and every other chance thing that happens in the world - has quite a lot of atrocities
to answer for directly, as that also makes him directly responsible for tubal and ectopic pregnancies, children being born without brains, all the
deformed children being born in Iraq and other places (which I would much rather attribute to the chemical effects of DU ammunition used in the area,
or something else we've introduced directly to cause the rise of such), and everything else.
Yes, he's the ultimate author of life and its processes, but I do not believe he actively crafts every single things that happens in our reality.
There is also will, and there is also chance - despite the Psalm's lovely poetry.
You repeat the same thing not understanding what it is...a "fertilized egg." Life begins at conception.
Agreed - the process of life, that ends in a human. Conception, however, does not equal a human nor a soul. You can continue to insist on your
belief and faith for saying such, but that is the only thing you'll have supporting such a claim.
You do "see" though, a change of "morality", yes, the times, accepting grave sin as not being a sin at all now!
Like accepting fear-driven warmakers over the sons of god trying to make peace?
What are you talking about friend, "no evidence?" Have you ever seen a ultrasound and the modern fetal photography the time lapsed? It's
been divinely revealed, at the moment of fertilization, there is a new human person with a body and a soul. "I knew you before you were born" and
"I knit you in your mother's womb" such loving verses from Scripture.
Yes. I've seen ultrasounds and I'm very well familiar with fetal development - meaning I also know that a morning-after pill used with 48 hours of
fertilization that we have no way if knowing has even occurred and has a very good chance of not naturally implanting anyway
no way, shape, or form anything resembling a human body or soul.
For clarity, here's what we're looking at at THREE WEEKS from fertilization:
Gestational age: 2 (whole) weeks old. 15–21 days from last menstruation.
Embryonic age: Week nr 1. 0 (whole) weeks old. 1–7 days from fertilization.
1) Fertilization of the ovum to form a new human organism, the human zygote. (day 1 of fert.)
2) The zygote undergoes mitotic cellular divisions, but does not increase in size. This mitosis is also known as cleavage. A hollow cavity forms
marking the blastocyst stage. (day 1.5–3 of fert.)
3) The blastocyst contains only a thin rim of trophoblast cells and a clump of cells at one end known as the "embryonic pole" which include
embryonic stem cells.
4) The embryo hatches from its protein shell (zona pellucida) and performs implantation onto the endometrial lining of the mother's uterus. (day
5–6 of fert.)
5) If separation into identical twins occurs, 1/3 of the time it will happen before day 5.
We have...cellular division. What we're talking about here, abortionist propaganda about later stages aside, is literally an actual clump of cells,
at most. No formation, no differentiation, nothing. And very much likely to pass without implantation, all on its own.
And you refer to fetal photography - but we're not even at the fetal stage until about week 10. We're in completely different worlds here.