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Why do hackers create computer viruses? Is there a conspiracy behind it?

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by ShadeWolf
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Not entirely true. Viruses are usually made by script kiddies "for the lulz." Usually they've got all the precision of a club, and are designed to essentially extort money out of stupid people. This kind of thing really doesn't take any skill. Now, actual hackers, the kind of people who access government databases to prove they can? They'd never touch this basic stuff.


You took the words right out of my mouth, it always freaks me out when I hear about some "hackers", and all they are are some script-kiddies, that can't even write software, let alone grokking the deeper layers of computers ...

As for the so-called "Darknet", nothing mysterious about it. It mainly is just a bunch of computers on the internet that didn't register their own domain spaces, so you can only access it via their direct IP adresses...

correction, now I myself fell into the trap of calling a script-kiddy a hacker.
a hacker is just a person that groks the hardware and the software of whatever system.
edit on 19/1/2012 by Hellhound604 because: ouch ... called a script-kiddy a hacker .... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Shift
Well, let me think. Why do taggers get their spray paint and go out at night and tag their names all over poorer areas of town? Are they part of a conspiracy to make those areas seem more lawless and out of control, so the gentry won't come in a try to buy the properties and clean the place up? Are slumlords behind it? Or the companies that sell anti-tagging paint and security systems?

Or are some people just bored and mean, with too much energy and time on their hands and they like messing with people because they get a weird sense of satisfaction from it, because it brings some kind of meaning to their otherwise meaningless lives?


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...or, why do 'peaceful' protests suddenly turn violent?
...or, what was wrong with the last 'model' that it is now 'new and improved'?

Socio-economic factors are a result of a form of subtle and long term manipulative tecniques, coupled with 'real-life' problems, inherent in a system that have 'bendy' boundaries, especially for those who can afford to leapfrog the standing 'rules'. All forms of political governance have this as a product of human nature (given), communist 'leaders' don't live in 'slums' and do not drive around in Lada Nivas...just like the paragons of the capitalist regimes!
In essence they are the same, same power, same trappings, same sensational stories...

Tagging, as a form of self-expression (or the compulsion to Identity) is a result of the loss of identity against any background of noise, generated by a well-oiled machine...or...if, 'taggers' had the money to pursue scholastic directions commensurate with thier skill, they would have no time or need to deface as a 'protest' to society.

Akushla



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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just to come back to my previous post. Don't confuse "hackers" with "crackers".

A "hacker" is just a person that "grok" a system, i.e. have a deep understanding of the system, it has nothing to do with viruses. When a "hacker" writes a virus, and that gets onto your system, you are slightly f*****d.

A "script kiddy" on the other hand, normally uses existing viruses, trojans, or worms, and might just change one or 2 lines of the code (that they downloaded from the internet), and then they would think they are the greatest programmers in the universe, yet they don't even understand the most basic fundamentals of the computers.

A different group is the "crackers", that might be "script kiddies" or true "hackers", that really try to be malicious, i.e. trying the get bank numbers, etc, etc, etc ....

So, please don't confuse the 3 groups.

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Some computer malware has been written by government agencies for the purpose of spying (stealing confidential information) or for military purposes, or for "denial of service" type sabotage.

It isn't always the "hackers".

"True hackers don't leave footprints". - old phreak/hack saying.


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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Hackers = business opportunity to make money



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by WWu777
Why do hackers create computer viruses constantly as though it were some kind of business to them? What's the gain or motive? What's in it for them? It makes no sense.

Why don't they put their skills into creating something to sell to make money, or working as a computer programmer or software engineer and getting paid?

Is there any conspiracy behind this? Why can't law enforcement just stop the problem for good and arrest all the perpetrators?

I can hack and program viruses and botnets, and not a single AV company pays me (unfortunately)


Black Hat hackers do this for for a reason to gain thing like
Login details
Bank details ($10 with out CCV $25 with CCV)
Websites you visit
Bot nets for DDOS attacks (a huge amount of money lost for the company there doing it on)
Cookies (a lot of money to know where people go for advertising)
Personal information ($25)
Email addresses for spam ($1)

Also some of the more complicated Botnets have been found to do some interesting things such as:

Distributed computing (using * amount of computers to crack passwords and codes)
Controlling external hardware (motors, valves, gates, electronics, wireless systems and general communication systems (E.G Stuxnet))

There lots of ways programmers can control things, essentially that is why I learnt to program or am learning to program because I think for the past 20 years we have been misusing and dumbing down the uses of computers to the general public (I mean a thing that can compute a billion cycles a second and all your using it for is to(Facebook) spy on your ex/college/high school friends/work mates/friends of friends?!?!? also to watch movies and listen to songs).

Hackers can make money by selling the information I said above but hackers in my experience are good people who want to learn but like in every society where there is people who aim for the greater good there are still gonna be a few bad eggs!


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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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I worked for an internet service for a little while, and it was a hobby to actually collect these viruses and burn them to CDs.... and if crossed, it would be havoc to unleash one or two. Its not unlike internet voodoo that works quickly!
No, I was never brave enough myself to do this, since with my luck I would end up unleashing them into my personal hard drive. This would then result in discharging a weapon within city limits, and more bad luck to follow.

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by WWu777
Why do hackers create computer viruses constantly as though it were some kind of business to them? What's the gain or motive? What's in it for them? It makes no sense.

Why don't they put their skills into creating something to sell to make money, or working as a computer programmer or software engineer and getting paid?

Is there any conspiracy behind this? Why can't law enforcement just stop the problem for good and arrest all the perpetrators?


Different people, different agenda's. I have long suspected religious or atheist moral zealots where behind computer virus's in porn(as well as elements of the Porn industry).



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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I have always firmly believed that it is the anti-virus people themselves creating the viruses. I used to belong to a hacking group, and this was the consensus among all of us. Ever see the three stooges short where they are exterminators? Larry has a bag with ants, and moths and etc. and is spreading them through the house of this rich person. Creating business for themselves. Just like these seasonal viruses that are around in the fall. But I digress, you get the picture.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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People write malware with the main intent of stealing login information, identity theft, bank accounts, private documents, its worth alot of money on the black market.

There's alot the act of feeling powerful by creating armies of zombie computers (botnets) that can be controlled to do various tasks such as attacking webservers simutaneously or simply scanning ip-ranges for vulnerable services in order to spread yet again.

Anti-virus companies don't write malware...

AV companies are able to detect most malware quickly after it is discovered in the wild by simply using an integrity hash of the suspected file, as it will always be the same. The other methods are heuristics, such as common processes or function calls being used in a certain order... if detected it will be blocked or whatever.

Most people write malware/viruses because they can. Just like some people go fishing, or play sports.



Originally posted by spoonbender
I would say programmers create virus ...

and some times hackers utilize them ...

and some times programmers & hackers are 1 & the same


Programmers and hackers are in fact one and the same. Anyone who writes code or software for their own use is a hacker, that's the definition in itself making something useful.

The definition of hacker in relation to computers i repeatedly misused and misunderstood... breaking into computers and spreading worms is actually called cracking.

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by WWu777
Why do hackers create computer viruses constantly as though it were some kind of business to them? What's the gain or motive? What's in it for them? It makes no sense.

Why don't they put their skills into creating something to sell to make money, or working as a computer programmer or software engineer and getting paid?

Is there any conspiracy behind this? Why can't law enforcement just stop the problem for good and arrest all the perpetrators?



Hacker stumble across your PC, checks your banking records...
Sees you have $50,000 in your savings...
With a virus and some simple spyware, that $50,000 could get transferred by the Hacker into an 'untraceable' account within seconds...


If Hackers aren't creating viruses for fun, like other ATS members have said, it can be VERY profitable for them...



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Conspiracy yes but its conspiracy on top of conspiracy on top of conspiracy and never ends.

The movie companies embed them to track pirates.

Some are "Buy our Product" extortion viruses like XP Antivirus 2012 or Vista Antivirus 2012 or Win 7 Anti-Virus 2012 and because some morons buy there programs they work.

Then there is china and the government spy factory that uses viruses to spy on systems for government secrets
The only way they can cut the amount of computers they have to hack and search is to let the virus do the work for them

Even if the US tracks a independent hacker to china the only thing that happens is china arrests the hacker and puts him to work hacking for china.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by diddy1234
probably because they are paid by the anti-virus companies to make them in the first place.

This is not as stupid as it initially sounds.

Why is it that the antivirus companies can figure out a virus very quickly and issue updates so quickly ?


I caught Kaspersky doing this. My Kaspersky anti-virus was screaming at me one day that a certain virus had infected my pc. I scanned and tried to remove it but no dice. I later found that Kaspersky was the only anti-virus company that had it listed as a threat. Kaspersky refused to do anything about it because I was using a older version of their software that I paid for. I removed the Kaspersky software and have not had a problem to this day using the free software.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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I suspect a few such hackers are motivated by money, such as the purveyors of the fake AntiVirus2000 scareware.

There seem to be some who are simply vandals, or have at least a pretended good purpose, such as those who sent the stuxnet viruses into the Iranian nuclear facility.

But a good many are simply energetic programmers wanting to leave their mark, at least temporarily, on cyberspace, like the kids who climb up at night to paint their nicknames on watertowers and billboards. By conjuring up a virus (many of them are not damaging) that can slip past existing storebought security, they demonstrate their superior abilities - at least to themselves.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by diddy1234
probably because they are paid by the anti-virus companies to make them in the first place.

This is not as stupid as it initially sounds.

Why is it that the antivirus companies can figure out a virus very quickly and issue updates so quickly ?



lmao! hackers/programmers write viruses for a number of reasons....

1) just to see how easy it is
2) just to see if they can
3) to obtain information from private/personal computers
4) to practice their coding skills in various security environments.
5) to test bypassing certain system security flaws weather it be OS or AV based.
6) boredom

yeah there will be the odd one created for blackmail purposes but those would be specifically tagetted and delivered.... but on the whole.. its just practice to up and coming computer security wizz's. lol


there is no real conspiracy with viruses. my BSD system doesnt have that issue tho lol



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by 98yekiM

Originally posted by WWu777
Why do hackers create computer viruses constantly as though it were some kind of business to them? What's the gain or motive? What's in it for them? It makes no sense.

Why don't they put their skills into creating something to sell to make money, or working as a computer programmer or software engineer and getting paid?

Is there any conspiracy behind this? Why can't law enforcement just stop the problem for good and arrest all the perpetrators?



Hacker stumble across your PC, checks your banking records...
Sees you have $50,000 in your savings...
With a virus and some simple spyware, that $50,000 could get transferred by the Hacker into an 'untraceable' account within seconds...


If Hackers aren't creating viruses for fun, like other ATS members have said, it can be VERY profitable for them...


lol untraceable bank accounts??!?!?!

if your hacked/virus/spyware and they take your money... your insurance covers it provided you prove you had AV installed.

as for untraceable? not really... most personal banks will use a personal banking website/phone system/automated service... you still have to enter a from and to account. the problem occurs when they then move it around very quickly through many different accounts..... but again... that is moot as your insurance will take care of it.

if you are using windows and dont have AV installed.... or simply don't know what you are doing when it comes down to security.... then you deserve to be robbed in my view lol *jokes*

get insurance, install AV on you win pc and don't keep downloading pr0n



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Boredom and prove i can do it, at least that would be my reason.

I never created a virus but i did enter in some other computers exploiting vulnerabilities when i was much younger, no conspiracy, some people like me get bored very easily.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by WWu777
Why do hackers create computer viruses constantly as though it were some kind of business to them? What's the gain or motive? What's in it for them? It makes no sense.

Why don't they put their skills into creating something to sell to make money, or working as a computer programmer or software engineer and getting paid?

Is there any conspiracy behind this? Why can't law enforcement just stop the problem for good and arrest all the perpetrators?


Money and fun is the gain. Many write programs for AV companies or spyware for advertisement agencies. Law enforcement cannot stop it for good as there are always flaws in programming that are written as sloppy and massive as most new programs are.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:57 AM
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Why are there arsonists? Who would want to seriously burn a building down for no reason?

Some people just do things that we ourselves can't imagine doing.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Because they are immature hipsters.

They like thinking they're the big boys to be respected.



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