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Originally posted by vogon42
When are we (USA), going to leave this region of the world?
I say we take a large portion of "defense" spending, and put that money towards wind and solar power.
Why keep putting out fires when instead we can find and eliminate the cause of the fires.
(yes, thats borrowed from Demming, for those of you who know who he is)edit on 19-1-2012 by vogon42 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo
Well now.
Iran is warning its fellow Arab countries to back down if Iran decides to go through with closing the Strait.
The article also highlights tensions between the UAE, the Saudis, and Iran.
Basically Iran is heated that the Saudis told the world if Iran's oil were cut off, that the Saudis could make up the production.
As for that secret little letter we have been hearing about, now the government is denying it altogether.
Fun times ahead...
www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)edit on 19-1-2012 by YouAreLiedTo because: (no reason given)
With China and Russia backing away from Iran (probably because they have suspicions Iran's already got nuke weapons if thyre sporting 20% uranium enrichment), Iran may end up caving in because i don't see any other alternative.
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
With China and Russia backing away from Iran (probably because they have suspicions Iran's already got nuke weapons if thyre sporting 20% uranium enrichment), Iran may end up caving in because i don't see any other alternative.
I don't know why China and Russia are backing away from Iran. They haven't been proven to be doing anything wrong, that being said I also don't know why they are being so secretive. Although 20% is enough for a weapon (less is also enough) it is also good for medical purposes, which they have claimed it is being used for. With the sanctions thrown on it as well as the military machine moving closer and closer, they should either let the IAEA in to inspect ALL areas or keep on doing what they are doing. If the US attacks them and they are proven to not have weapons, then that pretty much kills what remaining credibility the US has. At least they have agreed to let a high-level IAEA delegation to visit Iran January 29-31. That's one step in the right direction.
They've allowed the IAEA in before and didn't show them everything and had armed gaurds on them everywhere they went too. Not to mention moving their facilities to undisclosed underground locations reeks of secrecy. At this point there's just no way to tell whose lieing and who isnt.
Originally posted by randomname
impossible for iran to close the straight of hormuz realistically?
scuttling barges, deploying thousands of naval mines, patrolling with battleships and shooting any ship that tries to go thru. launching anti-ship missiles, air strikes, dumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of crude, lighting it on fire, aa batteries around the coast launching 120mm shells, cruise missiles, subs etc.
basically all out war.
Originally posted by vogon42
When are we (USA), going to leave this region of the world?
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by RSF77
I found an interesting site that lists Iran as #12 under Global Firepower. Pretty cool site, remember though, if the US attacks Iran, everything Iran has, is at its disposal, the US only has what they bring. It wouldn't be pretty for either side. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Originally posted by RSF77
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by RSF77
I found an interesting site that lists Iran as #12 under Global Firepower. Pretty cool site, remember though, if the US attacks Iran, everything Iran has, is at its disposal, the US only has what they bring. It wouldn't be pretty for either side. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Well, that's nice and all, but #12 is far from #1. In fact, #2 is far from #1.
I wasn't talking about a website with rankings, I was talking about what actual military assets they have. Do some research on the military technology that those countries have, you'll find that much of it is old US, Russian technology from the cold war and just after that.
A chart with national rankings of military power only goes so far, look up the actual missiles, naval vessels, aircraft, etc. You'll find that anything Iran has would be destroyed before it could even be used. Much of it because of range, speed and detection capability.
For example if an old American Seawolf submarine had unlimited torpedoes, it could sink the entire Iranian navy without endangering itself. Matter of fact, if Iran decided to blockade the straight and I was an American commander, that is exactly what I would do, send in a few submarines and sink everything Iranian without one loss. Iranian ships literally wouldn't know what hit them until it was too late.
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but the difference really is that much.edit on 20-1-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)
An improvised explosive device (IED), also known as a roadside bomb, is a homemade bomb constructed and deployed in ways other than in conventional military action. It may be constructed of conventional military explosives, such as an artillery round, attached to a detonating mechanism.
Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by superman2012
Why would the US have to invade Iran to re-open the straight of Hormuz? That's irrelevant.