A twist of irony: The Pirate Bay would be immune from SOPA, page 1

Just when you thought SOPA couldn't be any more comical, news has come out that The Pirate Bay would indeed be imune from SOPA censorship.

Apparently it all comes down to the fact that The Pirate Bay has a .org domain — and according to Masnick, the current version of the SOPA bill working its way through congress excludes American domestic domains from being the target of takedown notices from copyright holders. In this case, a “domestic domain” is any domain that comes from a TLD run by an American registry — and sure enough, .org’s registry is Public Interest Registry, a US non-profit based in Virginia. In other words, thepiratebay.org isn’t eligible for a SOPA-based takedown, even if its servers are based in Sweden or another country outside the US.

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However, one part of the article has stuck with me.

The internet has proven time and time again that it’s virtually impossible to control.

There's an old saying on the Internet: "Don't feed the trolls!" Well, SOPA has done exactly that. The trolls are thinking of ways to get back at the government and entertainment industries if SOPA does indeed pass. I've found some of their ideas very entertaining. Here are some of the best ideas and entertaining comments I've found. Enjoy!

reply to post by Ixtab

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Lamer Smith....

reply to post by HelionPrime

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Lamar Smith huh?

ROFL...I don't think that name fits him very well. I am sorry this thread is to funny, I needed that good laugh. Not trying to be rude, but that photo of him looks like he may be a total jack###.

reply to post by Ixtab

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They could ask Al Gore, according to him, he invented it

reply to post by mossme89

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Mossmen...thanks for a GREAT thread. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time after reading your OP and taking a moment to appreciate the messages contained in the graphics. Sweet.....

So.. If I just switch TLD control on my sites to the .org names instead of the .com, I'm temporarily immune from SOPA if it passes? Well..That was easy! Of course that loophole wouldn't last long... Kinda like the NDAA nonsense about no Americans involved.

I suppose that if this insanity is to pass, there will be some fun to be had for a short time, anyway. Oh and that Lamar character...what a swell fella. He's earned a rest. Like....the rest of his life in retirement. Would the voters please remove that turkey from office? These states don't appreciate what they do to the rest of us by re-electing people like this and McCain and Reid. Different parties...same garbage.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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So.. If I just switch TLD control on my sites to the .org names instead of the .com, I'm temporarily immune from SOPA if it passes? Well..That was easy! Of course that loophole wouldn't last long... Kinda like the NDAA nonsense about no Americans involved.

Where there's a will, there's a way. I'm sure there will always be loopholes. Hey, look at the iPhone! Apple has spent years and millions of $ trying to secure it so hackers couldn't jailbreak it (install custom apps & media). Almost 5 years later, there are STILL loopholes. And that's a state-of-the-art tech company! I imagine the government would be even worse at patching loopholes.

reply to post by Ixtab

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Its just a shame that most people [which includes a lot of elected representatives] are too ignorant on these more technical subjects to have any kind of informed position.

Could you imagine if elected officials had to show at least a modicum of knowledge on a subject before they were allowed to vote on it?

reply to post by mossme89

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Even though I'm opposed to how SOPA is written, I'm not opposed to punishing people who steal other peoples work. No honest person with credibility is.

The thieves are the cause of this in the first place. The ultimate blame rests squarely on their shoulders. They are the root cause and bear the most responsibility and shame. Being a thief is nothing to brag about and yet the lowlifes who do this stuff brag as if they are not the pond scum they truly are.

SOPA needs to be rethought and rewritten and opposition to it in it present form, should not lead those responsible for it in the first place to think they have the support of honest people, because they do not.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by mossme89

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Even though I'm opposed to how SOPA is written, I'm not opposed to punishing people who steal other peoples work. No honest person with credibility is.

The thieves are the cause of this in the first place. The ultimate blame rests squarely on their shoulders. They are the root cause and bear the most responsibility and shame. Being a thief is nothing to brag about and yet the lowlifes who do this stuff brag as if they are not the pond scum they truly are.

SOPA needs to be rethought and rewritten and opposition to it in it present form, should not lead those responsible for it in the first place to think they have the support of honest people, because they do not.

It is not theft it is copyright infringment. This makes the rest of your post moot.

The law recognizes the difference why don't you?

reply to post by daskakik

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Word games don't make stealing right. I find it amazing how people try to rationalize theft to make themselves feel better about doing it. When a person downloads somebodies product without paying for it, they are thieves.

Do you think things like movies, music, books, photo's and graphics magically appear? Or do you suppose they are the product of the authors years of learning, buying equipment and software and long hours creating the product?

If taking the product of peoples work without paying is not theft, then what is it?

The other answer is that authors, artists and photographers could simply quite producing their products and remove them from the market. Why bother if it's wrong to want pay for work?

There is no ethical, or moral difference between going into a store and shoplifting a CD or downloading pirated copies. No amount of nonsense will ever change that.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Word games don't make stealing right. I find it amazing how people try to rationalize theft to make themselves feel better about doing it. When a person downloads somebodies product without paying for it, they are thieves.

It's not word games it's the word of law. They say it isn't theft and who am I to argue.

Do you think things like movies, music, books, photo's and graphics magically appear? Or do you suppose they are the product of the authors years of learning, buying equipment and software and long hours creating the product?

Nope, but if they were not making money from it then they should stop. Isn't that part of capitailsm. No one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to produce these products.

If taking the product of peoples work without paying is not theft, then what is it?

Actually it isn't the product of peoples work but a copy of that product. That is why it is classified as Copyright infringment and not theft.

The other answer is that authors, artists and photographers could simply quite producing their products and remove them from the market. Why bother if it's wrong to want pay for work?

They are free to do so. They don't so I am having a hard time believing that they are not getting paid.

There is no ethical, or moral difference between going into a store and shoplifting a CD or downloading pirated copies. No amount of nonsense will ever change that.

Actually there is but you probably don't want to see it so you won't.

reply to post by Blaine91555

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"If taking the product of peoples work without paying is not theft, then what is it? "

Theft is a crime of intent.. to deprive. There is no intent to deprive by downloading a craptastic flick because "the product" isn't being taken, it's a facsimile there of.. The people who created it, writers, producers, actors.. have received compensation for their creation / participation by the copyright owners... studios.

If I took the physical "movie cans" depriving the studios of the ability to re-produce, market & profit from their investment.. that's grand theft. If I download a copy of their movie..it's "unauthorized" or "prohibited use", so called, as defined by elitist tools.

People will always sneak into overpriced movies.. the internet saves a trip to the theater waiting for Joe to open the back door.

BTW.. saw a movie the other day, 1st trip to a theater in 10+ years. It was just crap.. $5 for a Coke, $6 for a bucket of greasy cancer GMO popcorn.. $33 total for 3 peoples munchies. Commercials, bad ones, are forced upon you as you sit. At start time.. it's literally 15 min of previews, support the occupiers patriotic propaganda drivel, & more commercials.

Going to the movies reminded me why buying $5 DVDs from random parking lot guy is a much cheaper, easier, and more enjoyable.

reply to post by daskakik

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All of that just to say you don't think people who publish books, write music, perform music, record music, create art, create movies or any other intellectual property should not be paid for the work they do even though you like it enough to risk prosecution by stealing it instead of buying it.

Yeah sure People should just stop making stuff if they don't want you to steal it

Good luck with that in the real world.

reply to post by Blaine91555

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The US Supreme Court in Dowling vs United States decided that copyright infringement isn't theft. They decide what laws must be followed not you so I will use their definitions, if you don't mind.

you like it enough to risk prosecution by stealing it instead of buying it

Yep, what's the problem? You pay for it one way and I'll pay for it another if I get caught. Just like double parking. If I feel the need and think I can get back before a traffic cop rides by then I am free to try my luck. If I get back and I have a ticket waiting then that's my luck but it doesn't make it a more serious offense.

Yeah sure People should just stop making stuff if they don't want you to steal it

Actually they should stop making it public. What people don't understand is that when you publish something you no longer own it. All you own is the copyright and even that eventually runs out.

It actually works great in the real world. It has been working fine for hundreds of years. The Statute of Anne was enacted in 1709 and is concidered the first copyright law. Yet throughout the 70's and 80's nobody called those kids taping songs off of the radio "pond scum". I bet you probably did a little dubbing yourself or taping shows and movies off the TV or making a VHS copy. All of these are copyright infringment but nobody ever called it stealing because it isn't.

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