reply to post by CountDrac
Again, you have not provided any evidence except some voices that oppose the majority.
I can also give you many experts both scientists and within the government who say aliens and UFO’s exist, so what…?
You can’t definitively prove that you are right and for the sake of the argument lets say that neither can I.
How about you give me some experts and scientists who agree with your views here, instead - and I'm not looking for politicians as they have their own
agendas. And when those who oppose this elusive "majority" you keep mentioning are experts in their associated fields, up to and including the US
Secretary of Defense - such an argument is shown to be more than a little silly, and honestly beneath you.
And how about we say I've been willing to provide expert testimony while you haven't, instead?
One main difference:
If your are wrong we have religious extremist regime that holds an atomic bomb.
If I am wrong a religious extremist regime is replaced and freedom is given to the Iranian people. I think in their last revolution attempt in the
recent elections, which was subdued with extreme force and brutality by the current Iranian government made it very clear where their people
Consider further - if you're as wrong on the motivations and intent of Iran as Israeli intelligence seems to imply you are, YOUR solutions will
these people to have the bomb - or whatever other deterrent capacity they can achieve...as well as making this nation act irrationally -
which Dagan and the others say they are not at risk of doing if not provoked:
Mr. Dagan had vigorously opposed an attack and expressed his position publicly after retiring earlier this year. Gabi Ashkenazi, former armed
forces chief of staff, also reportedly opposed an attack.
Opponents to an attack plan say that Iran, as a rational state, would not launch a nuclear assault that would ensure a retaliatory Israeli strike on
its cities, including holy sites.
So, to rephrase your flawed little thought process here - if I'm right and we keep pushing Iran without any valid justification, we intensify their
search for destructive capacity as well as unbalance them enough to lash out - leading us into a response which almost assuredly draws in Israel on
our side, as well as a likely coalition of Russia and China against us all, and World War III ensuing becomes a very real possibility.
Additionally, if I'm right, and we stop rattling sabres at Iran, they are left with less incentive to seek the bomb in the first place, and infinitely
less incentive to use it if they do get it (or already have it). Cooler heads prevail, our intelligence capacity and defensive structure is in no way
Now, let's look at your "if I'm wrong scenario" - you talk about giving them freedom and replacing extremist regimes, but have you ever bothered to
stop and look at our track record on this topic? Ridiculous.
When we bring "democracy" and "freedom" to nations, it's usually at the cost of a minimum of tens of thousands dead, a wrecked infrastructure, leaving
an even more unstable and unpleasant power in control, and even more animosity for the american people. And if you've forgotten history, our
tinkering in Iran is exactly WHY they've got the government they now have - we helped the Shah displace Mosaddegh in the '50s, gave them an oppressive
regime which led to them taking our hostages and having a revolution, and ended up with religious fanatics in power - and has given them reasons to
hate us for almost 60 years now.
You think somehow, despite our numerous failures, THIS TIME we'll do better? Give me a break...
So Stop running around in circles and arguing for the sake of arguing. If you have any concrete evidence post it. If not, move on and stay on
No one's running around in circles here, I've been addressing your misunderstandings consistently and without malice - but as long as you continue to
spout your garbage, I'll continue to challenge it. You appeal to concrete evidence, but I'm the only one in this discussion who's provided ANY, and
what I've provided shoots holes in your claims as it's coming from high-level experts in all related fields.
You have been served
What is it LIKE in this world you've created inside your own head, exactly? Tell me, other than your repeated claims backed up by exactly *nothing*,
what have you provided to "serve" me, exactly? Have you shot down the claims made by the various sources I've provided? Have you proven them
No...so please quit trying to amuse me, it's not working well.
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