reply to post by CountDrac
Do you think Iran will flat out say they are building a bomb? obviously they will wait till they have one...
My opinion is irrelevant. Facts are what matter, and there are none saying Iran is building nukes, or even necessarily working to be able to do so.
And honestly, if I were Iran staring down the recent history and stated intents of the US and its allies, I would likely want one myself.
All evidence including their testing points to the fact that they are trying to build a bomb. That’s why they have sanctions imposed.
You can always find someone with a different point of view but the consensus is that they are trying to build a bomb. Even the ones who say they
don’t have evidence that Iran is trying to build a bomb agree they will have the capability to build one. Including Dagan who spoke last week for
If you'll read the article I cited and my post before it, you'll understand that my reference to Dagan was regarding his intelligence views on the
MOTIVE for Iran wanting a bomb, if they do - which seem entirely reasonable. Regardless - Dagan also strongly opposes any attack on Iran over these
claims, which so many seem to be lusting for.
And you keep mentioning all this evidence - can you please provide some of it (with it preferably from intelligence experts/agencies, analysts,
National Intelligence Estimates, international oversight agencies, etc.)? I've provided a decent bit of information for what I've stated so far,
reciprocation would be appreciated.
So what is your point?
I thought that was obvious. Slow down, think, seek FACTS - not false allegations and fearmongering, and once the facts are actually known, don't take
stupid actions based on overreaction. And, of course, that I wish more people would agree with such courses instead of jumping so readily off the
deep end into sheer insanity by supporting terrible policy decisions that will only make these situations much, much worse for all of us.
In your opinion Iran is not trying to build a bomb based on a fuzzy warm feeling you have in your body?
Do you honestly expect us to believe a country is working on capabilities to build a nuclear weapon but wont build one?
No - I think if Iran were trying to build a bomb, it would be entirely understandable (as I've already stated). We have them militarily surrounded,
have bombed and invaded dozens of nations over decades and several of their close neighbors very recently, and have incessantly sounded off against
them and made belligerent moves.
And I think that they are ENTIRELY within their rights to do the only thing we have CONFIRMED they are trying to do (develop nuclear energy) anyway,
as members of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty. North Korea developed the nuke, and yet...we stopped freaking out about them, and started leaving
them alone. I would say that right there is pretty illustrative of Iran's actual desire for the bomb, if it exists - as well as very illustrative of
our own hypocrisy on the matter, since last I checked, North Korea is no longer a NNPT state.
Again, the Sanctions imposed on Iran are for building a nuclear weapon. Meaning the political world consensus is that they are building a
The fact that we have imposed sanctions does not mean they are justified or based on any factual evidence - nor any less a terrible idea. If there's
such a consensus as you keep claiming, perhaps you can provide some of the verifiable proof it would obviously have to be based on?
I'm more than a little convinced the best you'll be able to come up with is a lot of suspicion, circumstantial evidence, assumptions, and political
motivation as we've been slavering over action against Iran for quite awhile.
So what exactly are you trying to argue?
If that's not abundantly clear by now, then I have to say you're even less perceptive than I initially thought. I mean no offense by that, but my
arguments and the reasons for them should be patently obvious at this point.
Your answers are delusional and ignorant, I’m sorry…
And yet they are supported by actual facts, the light of history, and the weight of christian faith. That's an amazing paradox, isn't it?
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