Originally posted by neo96
In the decades of the Alaskan oil pipeline how many oil spills happened?
So what America gets to build one through Canada but Canada can't here?
Stunningly stupid not the word choice i would have used "blanken" stupid.
You know what's 'stunningly stupid?' Thinking that a pipeline, delivering a product for export, to be sold on a world-wide market, on the basis of
its geographical location, will somehow positively impact the end-user price ONLY if said pipeline is built through a specific country. It's also
'stunningly stupid' to believe that petroleum markets are traditional, basic supply/demand markets and thus releasing a bit more supply will somehow
reduce consumer prices.
Let me tell you a little story about how awesome these pipelines are.
My family's farm is in eastern North Dakota. Prime farmland. We, like nearly everybody for hundreds of miles around us, have been farmers there for
generations. A few years ago there was a big push to build what is known by a name not dissimilar to the current pipeline through this very area from
Canada. Now, prior to the pipeline being built, we were repeatedly assured in mailings and via politicians involved with the project that there would
be NO danger of eminent domain being used, nor would this have any kind of negative environmental impact because 'every caution would be taken.'
Well, the pipeline construction started and in order to overcome the many thousands of miles of private land they had to cross to get it to the
southern United States, they went to the land owners and offered 99 year 'leases' for a relatively small amount of money (under $10,000 per 160 acre
quarter, iirc) in exchange the permission to trench in this pipeline across the land along with some access trails to get to inspection stations, etc.
The ground above the buried pipeline could still be farmed, so the total land loss was generally fairly limited. However, some people still didn't
like the idea. Ground water tables are very shallow in most of eastern North Dakota (it's all the bottom of a massive prehistoric lake), so there's
the serious threat of contamination and some people simply didn't want a pipeline across their land for their personal reasons.
The first sign of trouble was when a guy we knew near Devil's Lake, who owned a wide swath of land, refused to allow construction through his
property. This would've necessitated rerouting the pipeline for several miles, resulting in a huge additional expense in planning and construction
for the company. They whined, and the land owner lost a rather substantial corridor of his property via eminent domain, even after spending a great
deal of money fighting it.
Then, they got closer to where I grew up. One of our neighbors and close family friends, himself no longer a young man, was living in the home that
two generations earlier his family had built and used as the homestead. It was, of course, the house he had grown up in and raised his children in,
as has it father and grandfather. The pipeline was slated to directly intersect the actual house, meaning the house would have to be demolished to
build the pipeline. Our neighbor fought like hell and a bunch of nervous days, sleepless nights, and almost $60,000 in lawyer fees later, got the
company to back off on the pending eminent domain ruling and 'compromise' by moving the pipeline 100 feet from the side of the house into his back
After construction and a few miles down the road another one of our neighbors, whose land the pipeline also intersects, looked out his front window
one Saturday morning and saw a geyser of crude oil shooting up about 60-70 feet out of the ground from the buried pipeline. This is obviously an
issue, especially on a pipeline that was then less than a year old and had been billed as 'leak proof' and '100% safe,' so he called the company
and was told he was a liar. There was no way the pipeline could be leaking. Then they hung up on him. He called them back two more times, finally
got a supervisor to listen to him, emailed digital photos of the still-gushing geyser of oil, and then a few hours later a crew showed up to fix it.
There was a rather large amount of oil spilled on what was good crop land. Environmental 'mitigation' was done, but there's still a very
noticeable reduction in size and density of crops planted where the oil had leaked. Also keep in mind that this pipeline sits only a few feet above
one of the largest aquifers in the United States....a water supply that feeds hundreds of thousands of people's drinking water supplies and irrigates
a huge amount of corn, soybeans, and other crops.
So yeah, pipelines are awesome. Especially pipelines that are run by this outfit. Some of you guys really need to open your mouths less and engage
your brains more.