Originally posted by Alethea
Do you observe with your eyes? Do you not see politicians being endorsed by religious leaders? Do you not see church pulpits being used for political
"town hall" meetings? Do you not see political programs that fund church projects, i.e. in exchange for the church keys so that the buildings can be
shared for political functions?
Yes, I see those things, and they mean exactly... nothing. I also see labor union bosses endorsing various politicos. That doesn't mean the entirety
of the rank and file do - although too frequently their dues are misappropriated to buy politicians against their wishes. I see barbers, bakers, and
candlestick makers endorsing politicians as well - AND donating to them. I know of no instance where a religion has donated from their coffers to a
politician, but perhaps you can correct me on that with an example.
I've seen churches used for a plurality of functions, from "town hall meetings" to Boy Scout meetings to conversion into Bingo parlors. That
doesn't mean the church owns and operates the Boy Scouts. I'm unaware of any political programs to benefit church projects, but here again, you seem
to know of such, and so perhaps can enlighten me.
What some paper says and what actually takes place are two different things. If "religion has no place in politics" then why would the senate throw
a big bash for a huckster like Oral Roberts? (He's good for commerce, most likely?)
Maybe. Maybe not, It seems that if that were the case and Oral Roberts were running a Shadow Government, there would have been more of an uproar, This
leads me to think that the reason may have been "other".
If "religion has no place in politics" then why were so many of the DOJ staff under Bush graduates from the Pat Robertson University?
Because they need a diploma to get a foot in the door? Why did Bush graduate from Yale? Why do other politicians graduate from other schools? You seem
to think that schools operated by religions teach only religious subjects. Such is not the case. Even Theological Seminaries branch out into other
subjects, despite their designation.
In response to your earlier quote from the article, I am just trying to make the point that religion is heavily involved in scaring people with this
"end of the world, god is going to anihilate everyone, head for the hills, pack your survival gear, hide in a cave" mentality. If you look at many
of these behaviors you can see that they have been influenced by religious dogma and it is being used to manipulate people. Religion buys whoever it
wants. The Vatican owns the world and all the contracts.
Oh, no doubt that many religions use fear tactics to keep their adherents in line. You'll get no argument from me on that point. Look at all the 2012
hoopla, entirely based upon a "misunderstanding" (probably intentionally fostered by new age gurus) of ancient Mayan theology. They are idjits. If a
god truly intended to annihilate everyone, do they really think he couldn't find them in a cave or in the hills to snuff them out? That would seem to
me to be a fairly weak deity if it could be thwarted by us mere mortals so easily.
The Vatican may be a special case - I don't view it as a religion so much as I do an attempted control structure, a government with not much
territory. The Vatican seems interested in controlling Catholics regardless of their location, but doesn't seem to control much else. I can't seem
to find instances of the Vatican following the alleged teachings of Jesus - they seem to be more interested in writing policy for God, which may catch
up with them in the end if even half of what they claim is true.
I don't know about the Vatican "owning the world" - I can take you to at least 40 acres or so of the world that the Vatican neither owns nor holds
sway over. I can also verify that the Vatican owns none of my contracts, but I don't enter into contractual obligations lightly, frivolously, or very
often. For example I have no bank accounts or credit cards, nor do I have a mortgage or the like.
The Pope can bite me, same as any other politician - I don't live in his kingdom.