reply to post by wildtimes
No, I don't think every LEO will go along with this program. Sheriffs and their deputies are the least likely to follow along, but some will. The LEO
that posted the blog is a case in point, and he's not alone. There are many out there who won't be swayed, and many who will. it's the luck of the
draw. I think it will be interesting, perhaps, to see how much of that fancy DHS provided equipment "disappears" and winds up being used by the
opposition if push comes to shove.
I recall other times, other places, where entire units (army and police) "defected" and took their toys with them when they went.
What, from your perspective, is their contingency plan for the dissident officers who might go through the training and be instructed to shoot now,
ask questions later...but who in the execution of it refuse to follow any such orders?
Some will just "disappear" and show up among the opposition later, and some of the bolder ones will stay in place and feed intelligence. those guys
will be the ones in real danger. If they're caught, they'll probably disappear, and just never turn up anywhere.
A simple refusal will be met with suspension or termination proceedings, I think. that would be for the beat officers in the bought departments.
If an entire department refuses to comply, that could get interesting. the Feds will brook no dissension within the ranks, and when they go to make an
example of that department, things may get REALLY dicey. They'll probably try legal compulsion first - pitting federal courts against local
departments - but if push comes to shove, and the local people realize that these officers stood in their favor against the feds, I'd imagine they'll
get more popular support than necessary to carry the day.
Think a few companies of federalized guardsmen trying to have a go at a police department. Sure, that could get loud, but then stop to think what
might happen if they realize that every living thing between themselves and the cops is actively trying to kill them... and this ain't going to be a
"Kent State" moment with people trying to poke flowers in their gun barrels or just throwing rocks and bottles, or returning their smoking tear gas
canisters to them... all those things thrown would undoubtedly be accompanied by more ... umm... more "original" objects.
I'll be honest here - I have a fairly good working relationship with the local constabulary, and if the feds were to give them grief over a refusal to
enforce illegal edicts, the cops themselves will be the least of their worries if they try an assault.
There are rifles around that have been designed and tested to penetrate kevlar helmets at 800 meters or better. I'm guessing that they may have a hard
time getting within 800 meters of the cops if the entire department were to revolt, and stand with the citizens instead. if they did that, they could
be sure the citizens will stand with them, too..
In the bigger urban areas, it will be easier to pit the police against the citizenry. The antagonism there is already stronger, bolstered by a sort of
anonymity. "Cop" sees "crackhead" rather than an individual, and vice versa. In smaller towns and rural areas, the chances go down, since more people
know more people. "Joe" sees "Charlie", and the uniform or lack thereof is more of an afterthought. It's harder to shoot at a neighbor with a name
than it is a generic, anonymous "miscreant of your choice".
A lot of people, probably a disproportionate number, seem to be thinking with that urban mindset when posting in forums, but I think that may be a
function more of selective internet access than anything else.
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