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Topic started on 18-1-2012 @ 09:24 AM by PrinceDreamer

Russia defies West on Iran, Syria crises

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MOSCOW — Russia on Wednesday insisted it would not back sanctions on Syria and accused the West of suffocating the Iranian economy as it warned against military intervention targeting either regime.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov indicated that Russia was prepared to wield its veto on the UN Security Council, as Moscow sharpens its foreign policy line ahead of Vladimir Putin's planned return to the Kremlin this year.

"For us, the red line is fairly clearly drawn. We will not support any sanctions" against Syria, Lavrov said, complaining that the West had already introduced measures

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reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:24 AM by PrinceDreamer

This is an interesting article, with a direct quote from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, rather than the normal "An unnamed source"

There are many interesting points in there that a cursory glance will pick up, firstly Russia says it will use its veto, not military force which is good news for the rest of us, at least that reduces the chance of of WW3 somewhat, whilst still not removing it altogether.
Also, when he is speaking a lot of the references are of Russia and China together, seems to give more credence to Russia and China forming a very strong alliance, something the west needs to be very careful of, The west cannot win a war against both of these countries combined.

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reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:29 AM by YouAreLiedTo

Since when has the US waited for UN or NATO approval to attack a country in the name of "liberation"?

I'd bet a quid that you see a "people's protest" or "democratic uprising" in Iran in the next few weeks.

At that point it's not a war remember?

"It's a rebuilding!"

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:34 AM by AzureSky

It's not up to us to fight other peoples rebellions.
It would probably be much simpler to send an elite squad of men to take out a dictator than to bomb the entire country into submission.

"In the name of democracy, we are going to put our people more in debt so we can continue to fund the military industrial complex and give our friends enormous rebuilding contracts. None of which will be returned"

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reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:35 AM by PrinceDreamer

Here are some interesting quotes from the article

Lavrov indicated that Russia would use its UN Security Council veto to block any proposals for military intervention in Syria, following a suggestion by Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani to send in Arab troops.

"We will hardly be able to prevent (force) if someone really wants to do something like that. But let that be on their own initiative and rest on their conscience.

"They will not receive any mandate from the UN Security Council," he said.

He is making it quite clear that the the US/EU/Nato will have no lawful UN mandate to enter the country, whether themselves or by proxy using Qatar

He issued a similarly stern warning over the risks of a military attack on Iran over its nuclear drive -- an option never ruled out by the West and Israel -- which he said would be a catastrophe with the "severest consequences" for the Middle East.

"As for the chances of this catastrophe happening, you would have to ask those constantly mentioning it as an option that remains on the table," said Lavrov.

Lavrov said Moscow had in the past backed UN sanctions against the Iranian nuclear and missile industries but said Russia rejected sanctions targeting Iran's wider economy.

He is suggesting their is a much deep motive for the sanctions, other than the threat of nuclear weapons, something the vast majority here also realise I think.

"It is seriously aimed at suffocating the Iranian economy and the well-being of its people, probably in the hope of inciting discontent."

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:37 AM by PrinceDreamer

reply to post by YouAreLiedTo

Exactly what Lavrov is stating, the the sanctions are engineered to create unrest within the country and nothing to do with Iranian nuclear ambitions whether for fuel or weapons

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 09:55 AM by Mkoll

reply to post by AzureSky

If you take out the dictator the dictatorship remains, just with another head of the hydra at the top. Just saying. It is not our job to come in and topple these dictators, and if we were to assassinate them regularly then we would only destablilze their countries and potentially open the way for civil wars over who will succeed the now dead dictator.

It is our job, however, not to sponsor and build dictatorships in foreign countries in the first place and then invade those dictatorships years later on the premise of restoring democracy.

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 10:13 AM by AzureSky

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by AzureSky

If you take out the dictator the dictatorship remains, just with another head of the hydra at the top. Just saying. It is not our job to come in and topple these dictators, and if we were to assassinate them regularly then we would only destablilze their countries and potentially open the way for civil wars over who will succeed the now dead dictator.

It is our job, however, not to sponsor and build dictatorships in foreign countries in the first place and then invade those dictatorships years later on the premise of restoring democracy.

You are right,
good way of putting it my friend.

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 10:21 AM by stirling

Well, its certainly refreshing to hear something definate from the Russians......
They seem to be saying they wont attack anyone who wants to clean up the middle east......
The states are gonna jump on this...they dont give a crap for legality.

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 10:23 AM by PrinceDreamer

reply to post by Mkoll

Very true and valid point, all regimes around the world, whether dictatorship or democratic will come under pressure from the west the moment some resources are found there, whether oil, gas or some rare earth. Far more atrocities are committed by regimes with western support, yet we turn a blind eye and it never makes western media, just like the revolt in Bahrain, it is still going on, still happening, yet our media says NOTHING about it, I wonder why...

reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 12:02 PM by victor7

reply to post by PrinceDreamer

lavrov is playing both the sides here. he is saying russia will veto any sanctions and on the other side he is saying if us-nato attacks then russia will not do anything. in other words, he is given a green signal to attack.

in syria the funding and arming of the opposition has to stop to curb the voilence and riots. in iran sanctions on wider economy that effect the daily life of general population have to be off the table. when ego miniac leaders are fighting then let them fight, but general folks should not suffer.

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