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Begin Sex Ed in Kindergarten, Says New ‘National Standards’ Report

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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co-ed bathrooms from day one would have made this a non-issue.
separating boys and girls creates a mystique, a taboo, a challenge, a dare, something forbidden.
this can develop into unhealthy interests and fascinations.
separating boys and girls to different bathrooms reinforces that boys and girls are different/not-equal.
co-ed bathrooms as a normal every day thing would make it a normal every day thing, with no mystery, no taboo, no unhealthy associations, just normal, every day 'this is where we go pee and poop'.

(guess I'm not done as stated last post. ah well.)




excuse ME.

Then let's have co-adult bathrooms too !!

I'm all for it !!

I think all adults need to be re-sex-educated.

They need to explore the mystiques, taboos, challenges, dares, and all those something forbiddings.

Obama could pass that through Congress in one day .... no committee hearings ... just vote yes !


And please I hope there is not a think tank study for that ..... Wheeeeew !




posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Not having a problem with sex has absolutely nothing to do with education !!
I have a problem with a very very small group of pseudo-intellectuals telling a majority of Americans how to run their own families that happen to be very very successful and have no problem in the first place.


Sex education and awareness of ALL the aspects of the multiple issues surrounding our youth is important.
You can't CHANGE the fact that human youth become sexually viable at around age 12. You CAN'T. They must be prepared for the hormone and intrusive-thoughts onslaught, with the help of adults, not other misinformed kids or naive experimentation.

So, teach your kids the TRUTH, without shame, or embarrassment, or ridiculous euphemisms, or fables about storks interfering. They need the SKILLS, not some pretense of bunnies and butterflies. Be the kind of parent that a teen can come to and say, "I am sexually active, can you please set me up with appropriate birth control and give me some guidance?" Not the kind of parent who whistles around their house thinking they have immunized their kid against it because they ignored the subject and refused to allow discussion.

That is doing them as much a disservice as not teaching them to drive before they are allowed behind the wheel onto the streets, or throwing them out of the house with no concept of laundry, cooking, shopping, budgeting, bathing, etc.

Get a grip, sir. Stop yelling at us, and step up in your adult shoes and make a positive difference.

edit on 18-1-2012 by wildtimes because: manners and decorum. my bad.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by nineix
 



co-ed bathrooms from day one would have made this a non-issue.
separating boys and girls creates a mystique, a taboo, a challenge, a dare, something forbidden.
this can develop into unhealthy interests and fascinations.
separating boys and girls to different bathrooms reinforces that boys and girls are different/not-equal.
co-ed bathrooms as a normal every day thing would make it a normal every day thing, with no mystery, no taboo, no unhealthy associations, just normal, every day 'this is where we go pee and poop'.

(guess I'm not done as stated last post. ah well.)




excuse ME.

Then let's have co-adult bathrooms too !!

I'm all for it !!

I think all adults need to be re-sex-educated.

They need to explore the mystiques, taboos, challenges, dares, and all those something forbiddings.

Obama could pass that through Congress in one day .... no committee hearings ... just vote yes !


And please I hope there is not a think tank study for that ..... Wheeeeew !



Some places around the US, though rare, co-ed bathrooms are a reality.
For private businesses, I don't think a law is necessary as it's really just a social convention/hangup/standard.

Public spaces with public funding like schools, would of course need at least state approval for such to be at least allowable.

Private institutions, however, have liberty already to do so.

You see it more in Europe. Many schools in Germany have all co-ed bathrooms.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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BEGIN SEX-ED IN KINDERGARTEN ....



I think that's what Pedophiles do.


A child's mind cannot process this (don't-need-to-know-yet) information. So, it overwhelms the child, which translates to trauma/traumatic.

No one would agree with this ... unless, of course they were a psychopath who was abused as a child and knows nothing about children ... OR ... a pedophile who doesn't care.
edit on 18-1-2012 by Jana12 because: typo



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Like I said,

It's the parents' responsibility.

The OP article is biased and very misleading.

The agenda is not education.

It's money.

You can't legislate these things.

Your opinion is good actually.

But you need to consider WHO might be "teaching" these things to your own kids.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jana12
BEGIN SEX-ED IN KINDERGARTEN ....

I think that's what Pedophiles do.


A child's mind cannot process this (don't-need-to-know-yet) information. So, it overwhelms the child, which translates to trauma/traumatic.

No one would agree with this ... unless, of course they were a psychopath who was abused as a child and knows nothing about children OR a pedophile who doesn't care.


There is a very good point ... finally some reality.

That's where the qualifications and screening come into play.

Too often overlooked IMO (sometime diverted).


Another question for the "experts" ....

How do the "education" programs teach kids when someone asks:

Mommy, how do homosexuals have children if both people a boys ?

How do they explain "that sex" ?

Is it in that guidebook ?



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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I feel for you and your experiences, I too had similar things happen to me growing up, I think most girls do.



I do not have a problem with elementary kids knowing that at the onset of puberty girls develop breasts and some girls go through puberty early. That is a physiological fact and it is good for kids to understand I think.

That kind of sex Ed is fine with me.

But I do not think schools should be teaching my elementary age kid sexuality....meaning I would not want my 9 year old to be educated on orgasms and masturbation for example....those are things kids need to discover in their own way, in their own time.

Sadly, many kids learn those things very early as a by product of sexual abuse. I understand that, and I am not against schools teaching children that sexual activity before the onset of puberty is not appropriate, and let kids know why it is not appropriate and what they need to do if this happening.....then if a child comes forward immediately the school should take steps to protect the child.

I try very hard to keep my kids innocent, but not naive, I want them to be educated and aware but not over exposed. I think if we go beyond teaching sex Ed and start teaching sexuality it is too much exposure to things that I do not think elementary age kids are developmentally prepared for.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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What the hell did people do before all these "sex education" classes?

I think they figured it out. I mean, humanity has been around how long?



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Jana12
A child's mind cannot process this (don't-need-to-know-yet) information. So, it overwhelms the child, which translates to trauma/traumatic.


They're not suggesting giving full sex ed to kindergarteners, complete with contraceptives and STI's and "insert rod A into slot B". Go back to page 1 and read Benevolent Heretic's post to find out what they're actually planning on teaching kindergarteners.

My 3 year-old half-sister knows the main difference between boys and girls and what their parts are called, and I have no reason to believe that she's been traumatized by seeing her newborn brother having his diaper changed. Knowing these things is no different from knowing the difference between colours and shapes or letters and numbers. Its elementary.

Of course nothing I can say will stop your knee from jerking.
edit on 18/1/2012 by Glass because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Mijamija


But I do not think schools should be teaching my elementary age kid sexuality....meaning I would not want my 9 year old to be educated on orgasms and masturbation for example....those are things kids need to discover in their own way, in their own time.



Why not? Especially masturbation. Why would it be wrong to teach about it, is there something inherently wrong with it? I mean, if done correctly the kids would see that it is an option when they "feel the urge" to have sex. If the kids know it is a viable option when they just "have to have sex", they may be inclined to use the option. If the kid wants to have sex they will, nothing can be done about that. At least with masturbation no one will get pregnant.

I will reiterate, I do think sex ed in kindergarten is too early but 4th on up, I have no issues with.
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Glass

Originally posted by Jana12
A child's mind cannot process this (don't-need-to-know-yet) information. So, it overwhelms the child, which translates to trauma/traumatic.


They're not suggesting giving full sex ed to kindergarteners, complete with contraceptives and STI's and "insert rod A into slot B". Go back to page 1 and read Benevolent Heretic's post to find out what they're actually planning on teaching kindergarteners.

My 3 year-old half-sister knows the main difference between boys and girls and what their parts are called, and I have no reason to believe that she's been traumatized by seeing her newborn brother having his diaper changed. Knowing these things is no different from knowing the difference between colours and shapes or letters and numbers. Its elementary.

Of course nothing I can say will stop your knee from jerking.
edit on 18/1/2012 by Glass because: (no reason given)


Exactly. No one is talking about making Kindergarteners watch porn movies. It would be very simplified information, but starting the conversation at a young age will help them to be less confused when the hormones kick in.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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But you need to consider WHO might be "teaching" these things to your own kids.

I understand your point. It was I who taught my kids, so I don't need to consider it for my own family's sake. My kids are grown, knowledgeable, and very much aware. I am certain they will teach their own kids in the same manner.

If parents do NOT take responsibility for teaching these things, then others need to do it. If the parents ARE teaching it appropriately, then there's no harm in their kids hearing it from their teachers also.

I know you are angry about the way the article was worded...frankly, now I'm a bit confused as to what you are hoping to achieve with the thread. The "vast majority" who do fine are NOT the ones turning out angry, pregnant kids who pack heat, sell sex, shoot at homes, and rape.

It's those who need intervention. Circumventing the poor parenting is the job of society. It really does take a community to raise a child.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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In times before civilization there would have been no need for sex-ed. Man's natural urges would drive him to reproduce with a woman, provide food for the woman and child and help take care of his child until he grows into a man to continue the cycle.

These days things are a lot more complicated than "have sex, bring food, protect family" since we have education, jobs, and other societal constructs telling us what to do. If man follows his natural urges without reservation, he might end up with a child he cannot provide for, mess up his own life, his woman's life, and his child's life.

That is why sex ed is necessary; it informs us of the consequences of our natural urges so that we can avoid messing up our whole lives and make good choices.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Why would it be wrong to teach about it, is there something inherently wrong with it?

No, there isn't. And that's one of the final frontiers we are facing today with youth. In fact, even infants and toddlers are expressive of the sensitivity and pleasurable result of touching "themselves" or rubbing on things.

I think the best way to handle it is to say, "It's fine if you want to do that, but it is expected that you do so privately, not where others can see you." Swatting their hand away and acting horrified when a small child discovers things that feel good is not a healthy thing.

Poking a pencil in the puppy's eye? NO! But having domain over one's own body? Perfectly okay...no one else's business, please do so in private.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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What gives them the right to decide when children should learn about sex? Did usa become a dictatorship overnight?



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Amazing how the word sexuality sets off so many fire alarms. Sexuality has been part of life since the first cell split in two, yet some people explode as if the teacher is going to pop a triple x porno into the blue ray and tell the kids "there you go!". Sexuality is not always about the reproductive (and related) act and teaching young people the proper terms for things instead of call it their "Bits" or whatever is certainly fine in my book.

Sure I will agree that parents should be the source of such discussions, God knows my Mother was always saying "do you have any questions?" and answering them frankly (often to my embarassment) but sadly this is more often then not the case (my Dad -never-talked about it, figuring I would learn what I needed elsewhere.)

I will also add that having a neutral and educated adult to talk to about such matters can be a boon to many young people.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by brokedown
Your avatar said everything the Fox want in the chicken. Coop

Kindergarten. Children have a hard time understanding how to take turns let alone the complexity of human sexuaity


Man they can't even tie their shoes at that age, let alone spell the word sex.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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I think 4th grade is too soon, and while there are some 9 year olds who might be ready for that topic, I think most are not developed enough.

In middle school I have no problem with kids learning about those things but in a scientific way. For example, I think kids need to know the purpose and function of orgasm biologically. This can all be taught in a way that is factual and non sensationalized. Cut and dry. No stigma, no taboo......simple biological facts.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Back when i was a kid, boys and girls if they were curious would say "show me yours and i'll show you mine"
. Thats about all the education we needed at that age. Besides a 5-6 year old boy could care less about having sex because girls have kooties.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Germany; which I've used as an example of schooling where sexual education is started very early, is pervasive, ongoing, continued until graduation, and is self reinforcing from a peer-pressure standpoint with all children learning the same at the same young ages, sharing co-ed bathrooms in school too, has a progressive sexual education program that is just part of the regular education program, as well as social structure.

Germany rape index in 2009 reporting year was 8.9/100,000

USA rape index for 2009 reporting year was 28.6/100,000

That's over 3x.

Rape Statistics WIKI

Now, I know these figures are directly connected to and related to the education system and social upbringing embedded into the education system as a whole, but, you may not.
If anything you will probably dispute any claims of relations to education and social upbringing in the education system.

With that, then, how is it you suppose that Germany only had 8.9/100,000 rapes (about 50% of those committed by foreign tourists/non-Germans, but, you can keep the 8.9/100,000), compared to USA's 28.6/100,000, over 3x higher?

What is Germany doing right, and where?
Please explain how the great and glorious USA, the tip-top super power of the world, has 3x the rapes of Germany?

How about we jump over to Russia? Russia has a 4.4/100,000 ratio of rapes.

hmmm.

What's USA doing or not doing to be sitting near the top of developed Countries as rape king of the world?

What are these other countries doing/not doing to have such low rape indexes?


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