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Begin Sex Ed in Kindergarten, Says New ‘National Standards’ Report

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Sex ed it taught by registered nurses. The regular science teachers don't do it. Each year they add a word. For example, 6th graders aren't taught the word "clitoris." They are directed to ask parents about it. 7th graders learn it and label it on drawings.




posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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This proposal would not effect you. This is for public schools.

I pay taxes for public schools, so I am concerned.
And, the curriculums affect my neighborhood.


Understood. I can't entirely disagree out of respect for appreciation and understanding of environmental variables that have a strong influence in the perceptions, behaviors, and attitudes of social groups.



I also think economic cycles affect teen pregnancies.
Perhaps this whole problem is economic related in some way.

Note: The private schools my kids went to had no sex-ed programs.
Although they were available as a secondary class at a different private institution.
Not many were enrolled.
And, with thousands of students over many years, there were no problems.
The parents had our own sessions among ourselves.
The parents did the teaching to their own kids.
No miracle workers.
99% of the kids became successful without any outside interference.
no drug problems, no sex problems.


Of course economic variables come into play. Environmental social vairables come into play. Quality of overall education comes into play. How much contact with and engagement with parents at home comes into play.

Your kids went to a private school. They weren't rubbing elbows with kids that have/come from alcoholic/abusive parents, broken homes, poverty, and all the other conditions down to the least common denominator.
Further, as a private school, your kid's teachers likely were paid a great deal more than public school teachers to give them a better quality education and the attention they needed. Additionally, without the distraction of students that come from least common denominator situations, students that may have problems because they are abused and don't have to tools to act appropriately, these private school teachers have a great deal more time to dedicate focused attention to learning.

Now, go to the public school. As stated, some of the kids your kids will be interacting with may come from broken and abusive homes. These kinds of environments have an impact on a child, and children will act out. This can make giving attention to regular untroubled students difficult for teachers.
Further, these troubled children can teach their peers all sorts of bad habits, and things they've learned from their broken homes, like drug abuse, sex, stealing, bullying, inappropriate language, inappropriate manners, and many of the other least common denominator factors.

Yes, economic factors come into play. Your children are privileged elite by public school standards.
They didn't have to roll around in and play in the muck.

Environmental factors play a huge role in psychological development. Economy is one of those. The other students your kids are exposed to is another. The over-all quality of the education the children get is another. Social standards and peer reinforcement/influence is a strong factor. A parent's participation or lack of participation in the education of the child in addition to the education the child is getting at school is also important.

Little things like enacting co-ed bathrooms from year one create a social standard of equality between boys and girls without having to TEACH or show them anything. Boys and girls sharing bathrooms together becomes a total non-issue, and a normal part of life. This is an environmental variable.

The total over-all education of a child isn't going to be fixed by any ONE thing. It's an extremely complex issue. Some places like Germany, if you were to take the time to look at their education system, seem to have it figured out. The results are pretty obvious.

You also keep hammering away at "It's the parent's job".
Please, tell me, what do the kids that come from abusive homes do?
What do the kids that are essentially latch-key kids living with a single parent that has to work all the time which they rarely get to see or interact with do?
Are you saying we need should ignore these children, denying them the attention of a comprehensive education because they don't have the support at home of two parents that can afford to send them to a private school with all the other privileged rich white folk?

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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Convince me and others.

And tie it in with Ritalin abuse and see how that affects the results.


Again, I ask for proof of your baseless claims that improper sexual education has nothing to do with teenage pregnancy and it's all based on drugs, Ritalin in this case, and criminal activity.

Prove it before I can take you seriously. I've already given you the proof you asked for, which you seemed to completely ignore.


I find it rather hilarious that you completely ignored my post with proof of what they'll be doing, and how much of a problem teenage pregnancy has become.
Selective reading, I see.

ETA: I refer you to my post HERE. This is the post where I gave you proof as to your false claim that "most americans don't have this problem."
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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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If kids are getting sex ed from anyone other than their parents, something's gone wrong. I'd rather my kids have no sex ed at all than be taught sex ed by the bloody system. At least then they would be able to decide for themselves what's right and what's wrong



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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fine!
keep lying to your kids. No skin off my back

We all knew these kids back in school. The kids who believed that santa was real for way to long. The kids who actually believed a stork delivered them or that babies come from a "tummy" and not a vagina... lol

But yea, go ahead and intentionally keep your kids as ignorant as long as possible!

also i fail to see how i am a phony or have an agenda ha?
Im just a young adult who was fortunate enough to have science teachers for parents who werent afraid of science or reality.

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Of course kids know the difference between a Boy and Girl, but the don't have a concept of sex or sexuality. Even if they did they don't fully understand it. Boys go through the girls are gross stage for a good time and so do girls for a little while. Prolly longer if they didn't have the whole prince and princess and barbie and ken crap shoved down their throats.

I'm all for sex ed, the good kind not the abstinence only kind, and I would have no problem if they talked about Homosexuality and say its also normal(because it can be difficult for someone going through that and yada yada), but teach it when its relevant, when they start getting those urges, so they can explain why they have them. Don't explain when they don't understand.

And no, kids are dumb as think they are. We like to think each one is the next Stephen Hawking or Van-go and the most extra special thing ever, but they're not. Most are as dumb as rocks and if left alone long enough would end up killing themselves on accident. Its not their fault, their still developing their brains and all that.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Mcupobob
Of course kids know the difference between a Boy and Girl, but the don't have a concept of sex or sexuality. Even if they did they don't fully understand it. Boys go through the girls are gross stage for a good time and so do girls for a little while.


What about all the gray areas?

Boys and Girls do seem to know if they don't fit societies expectations.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Of course kids know the difference between a Boy and Girl, but the don't have a concept of sex or sexuality. Even if they did they don't fully understand it. Boys go through the girls are gross stage for a good time and so do girls for a little while.


What about all the gray areas?

Boys and Girls do seem to know if they don't fit societies expectations.


Definitely. I've determined that this is because the understanding of sexuality is so inherent and instinctual that even young children can perceive it; when you're different, you know right then and there.

And at that age, believe me from personal experience: so does everyone else.

That's why it's so important for everyone to be taught tolerance of other people in general. It doesn't have to get ridiculously specific, even. Just talk about what's at the root in kindergarten: Love, and that anyone can love anyone and it's okay.
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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At what age though? Were talking Kindergarten, here and those differences don't come to light in till about age ten I would say and that when I think they should be doing. And what gray areas and difference? What societies exceptions? You're being all vague, are we still talking about homosexuality? They should teach that also as its not really that different or uncommon.

Now if you're talking about like a deformation then thats off topic, if were talking about other sexualities like transvestite, asexual, transsexual, cross-dresser, bi-sexual or whatever the hell sexual then I don't know. Hopefully the kids have supportive parents, friends and a safe and caring school, which should be a society standard in a perfect world. We run into a lot of gray areas in our lives and we shouldn't stop the world for it, I feel schools should cover the norm.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Mcupobob
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At what age though? Were talking Kindergarten, here and those differences don't come to light in till about age ten


Age 10? Are you serious? I'm raising a 10 year old right now.

First of all - - we are only talking about awareness. Not the sex act.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by zanysami
Of course kids know the difference between a Boy and Girl, but the don't have a concept of sex or sexuality. And at that age, believe me from personal experience: so does everyone else.

That's why it's so important for everyone to be taught tolerance of other people in general. It doesn't have to get ridiculously specific, even. Just talk about what's at the root in kindergarten: Love, and that anyone can love anyone and it's okay


Oh yeah! My best friends son is gay. You could tell even at 4 years old - - he was just different.

You could just feel it. He was different. You just knew.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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I never meet a kid that was aware of their sexuality in till about age ten, this whole kids are "aware" thing is bullocks. I wasn't talking about the act either. Do you have selective reading or something?



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by Mcupobob
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I never meet a kid that was aware of their sexuality in till about age ten, this whole kids are "aware" thing is bullocks. I wasn't talking about the act either. Do you have selective reading or something?


How many have you raised?

And I do not believe I used the word sexuality.

I am raising a 10 year old right now. What about you?



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Then what the hell are you talking about? All you said was "differences and gray areas" I thought were talking about sexuality and it being talked in school.

I'm sorry if I'm not a mind reader, you need to be more clear.

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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I've a 12yo nephew that is gay.
The family has known this since he was 4 or 5.
It's obvious when you know a kid that expresses this.
Granted, homosexuality, and bisexuality is in the minority, so, it's not too common to see this expressed, plus if the child is raised in an atmosphere non-accepting of this kind of 'peculiarity', kids pick up on cues about what's expected of them and how they're SUPPOSED to be, and will suppress expression instinctively as least path of resistance until they grow up and discover for themselves why it is they are different.
This is often a very troubled, confusing, and difficult time. Who can they trust? Dad's voiced his opinions about 'them faggots and queers' all too loudly all too often while watching the news or holding court at the dinner table.

The sooner a child knows who and what they are, the sooner a family who might be uninformed about these things can come to terms and accept their child's orientation long before it becomes some controversial bombshell.
Of course, the sad side of this, there are those families when confronted with this that will ship their kid off to some religious boot camp to get 'cured' of their gay. This never works.
I've heard the horror stories from gay friends that gone through it. It always shatters the family, straining relations all around, creating nothing but conflict and misery, especially in the teen years, sometimes winding up with the child, as an adult, disowning/divorcing his/herself from ever having anything to do with the intolerant parents.


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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I'm not sure what the hell people think I stand for in this thread. I have no problem with schools teaching acceptances of people and all that, I'm just saying leave the gay talk for a later time in sex ed.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Thing is, if you don't this before it's really all that understood by the children, you usually wind up teaching it too late, after the early developmental and precocious have picked up on some things and spread their discoveries to their peers.
For the minority of children that are gay, they're already picking up on bigot speech and other such echoed, or parroted by their peers that happen to have intolerant parents that like to express their opinions about 'them faggots and queers'.

You have to create a culture and social standard of acceptance and understanding before the children understand what it is you're talking about, so, by the time they DO understand, they have the vocabulary, and tools to behave appropriately about it.
It's like the difference between reading about what a lion is, seeing a cartoon or drawing of a lion, and then actually seeing one up close in person at the zoo.
A dictionary, simple mental picture, or definition is learned, and then as the child develops, or learns, they have an ah-ha moment where that mental picture becomes cognitive understanding.

It's really more than just sex-ed. It's and entire biological social psychological bag of assorted stuff.
It's also a step by step incremental process, starting with small basic stuff one year, followed up with increasing details over the years.

From some of the comments in this thread you'd think people believe kids are going to get shown graphic xxx porn in kindergarten and then told to write a 10 page comparison and contrast paper detailing their 3 favorite positions of the Kama Sutra all explored during recess and Phys-Ed.

Someone even had some crazy delusional rant about kindergartners getting taught about anal fisting.
Really?
Some people are just totally unreasonable and it's really quite amazing the levels of delusional thinking that some will believe in



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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You're right I should have worded it differently. Point is our education system is pathetic as it is. It's a fact monetary education is taught nowhere and that game you played is not what I'm talking about. There should be curriculum dedicated to it just like you get math, gym and science every year despite the science book always being outdated because their "theories" always have to be revised. Money is a scary topic because lets face it America has become an average society because of sub-average education with a plethora of low-level jobs that are needed to sustain our having McD's, dunkin' d's, walmart, Wendy's and ever other countless establishment on every block in this nation. You teach money to the youth and what to do with it and possibly end up with educated kids investing money and securing themselves early on in masses.

No your right, sex ed in K-5 is whats important. "Uncle Charley" should be taught at home and enforcing the awareness in scholl to a degree sure. Curriculum for this ridiculous.

Anyone stating this country has a problem with sex never went to school in this country because thats basically what high school is all about. Although I am not a parent I would think they would rather total focus be on having math drilled into childrens head so when they reach 25 they can still add subtract decimals and fractions which most adults in this country can not do.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Before I actually give you a logical reply to this, I want you to actually READ what they want to do, since it's rather obvious you haven't.


Standards to be introduced in kindergarten and be met by the second grade include: “Identify different kinds of family structures” and “Demonstrate ways to show respect for different types of families.”

Recommendations for students by the time they reach age seven include that they "Use proper names for body parts, including male and female anatomy” and “[p]rovide examples of how friends, family, media, society and culture influence ways in which boys and girls think they should act.”

Starting in the third grade, and upon completion of the fifth – when most children are 10 years old – students should be able to “[d]efine sexual orientation as the romantic attraction of an individual to someone of the same gender or a different gender” and “Identify parents or other trusted adults of whom students can ask questions about sexual orientation.”

By completion of the eighth grade, the report says, students should be able to “[d]ifferentiate between gender identity, gender expression and sexual orientation,” “[e]xplain the range of gender roles,” and “[d]efine emergency contraception and its use.”

Upon completion of middle school, students should be able to “[a]nalyze external influences that have an impact on one’s attitudes about gender, sexual orientation and gender identity”; “[a]ccess accurate information about gender identity, gender expression and sexual orientation”; “[c]ommunicate respectfully with and about people of all gender identities, gender expressions and sexual orientations”; “[e]xplain the health benefits, risks and effectiveness rates of various methods of contraception, including abstinence and condoms”; and “[d]escribe the steps to using a condom correctly.”

And by the time they graduate from high school students should be expected to “[d]efine emergency contraception and describe its mechanism of action” and “[a]ssess the skills and resources needed to become a parent.”


Since it's obvious from your reply that you didn't actually read what the new standards are, they won't be going into sexuality or anything of the sort until the kids are 10. Which in my opinion is much too late already.

Now then, to address your "kids are as dumb as rocks" statement, I want you to tell me something. How many children have YOU raised? How many children have YOU watched grow up?
I used to be a day-care facilitator. I can't tell you how many children I've watched grow up, and from personal experience, they AREN'T stupid.

I used to baby-sit two kids that lives down the road from me. The youngest was about 2 when I baby sat them, and recently I talked to their mum. She told me a few months ago, when the little one was 3, he walked up to her and said "It's time for you to have another kid" Shocked, she asked him "What?" which he then replied with, "both of my brothers are 2 years older than me, so it's time to have another kid."
Not ONCE did she ever tell him where babies came from or that his brothers are that much older than him. He NOTICED this himself.

Again, Kids are NOT as dumb as you make them out to be.
edit on 20/1/2012 by Believer101 because: My post exploded there for a second.




posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by VonDoomen
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fine!
keep lying to your kids. No skin off my back

We all knew these kids back in school. The kids who believed that santa was real for way to long. The kids who actually believed a stork delivered them or that babies come from a "tummy" and not a vagina... lol

But yea, go ahead and intentionally keep your kids as ignorant as long as possible!

also i fail to see how i am a phony or have an agenda ha?
Im just a young adult who was fortunate enough to have science teachers for parents who werent afraid of science or reality.

edit on 1/19/2012 by VonDoomen because: (no reason given)


Never lied to them. Where the Hell did yout get THAT nutty idea ?

The parents did the work. Their way, not yours !

Anything else ?

Thanks But No Thanks !



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