reply to post by 1nOne
Yes, but why subject us to a system of killing (pain) at all?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Apart from the Infinite creator, physical life is certainly an impossibility but that doesn't mean our souls are bound by the laws of a physically binding universe. And again, while with the infinite, He would be our infinite source of life.Who or what are you calling the Infinite creator?
Do you mean the creator of the infinite?
Is the universe infinite and it was created to be that way?
Or are you thinking of a person who is somehow infinite?
To me, the infinite would not be a creation such as the universe, nor would it be a person.
The infinite would be the unknowable void that exists outside of and independent of, the universe and no person can exist in the void so there is no infinite person, but we can personify a hypothetical person in our imagination, people of the void who caused the universe to come into existence but the reality is that the void contained principles that are beyond even thought and those were incorporated into the universe and became integral with, and indistinguishable from, the universe. Persons exist in the universe who are the product of its creation and it is up to these persons to survive within it the best they can, meaning the primordial persons who to us are eternal while we are more a different sort of person which is not eternal. We do rely on those seemingly eternal beings to lend their assistance, to us, to have a form of immortality, which then is dependent on those higher beings.
He, our Infinite Father, holds a finite material universe bound by principals he has set in the palm of his hand.You might disagree if you understood what I am saying exactly, but of course I am talking about undefinable things and so it is by necessity vague.
If Adam and Eve were created immortal, what was the purpose of the Tree of Life in the garden? It wouldn't have done anything for them. Why was it there?You had this male sky god who subdued the female earth goddess, then he went about pretending he was the only god.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
hm, heres my theory:
when people were given free will, the animals and plants chose not to accept free will. that is why they survive by instinct, it's like God's plan and will is instilled in them.
Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by apushforenlightment
I'm not afraid of death. Why anybody would be afraid of death is beyong me. You are right by saying I never experienced the devine. To me, this is irrelevant for now. You talk about chi, life energy in other words. I do believe in chi. But some use different terminology. As you well know energy is indestructible. It can only be transformed or redestributed. That's physics. There for I believe that when I die the energy which keeps my body going will only be redistributed evenly through out the univers. 21 grams of that energy to be exact. Why 21 grams? I have no clue. But maybe you have some thoughts on that. If you do, I would very much like to read them.
I, as a person, do not need the promiss of salvation to know the value of a good deed. I've read the bible a couple of time, and it's one of the best stories I've ever read. But that's all it is to me, a story. But it does have some good points on how to live ones life. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That's pretty much how I chose to live my life. I've heard a saying a while back. I found it very interesting. It says. " Nothing is true, everything is permited". The "Nothing is true" part I think it means that the truth changes with every person depending on their perseption and/or their perspective. To me that's just common knowledge. But the "Everything is permited" part is what made me think. I think it means; Do what you will. But you must be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions. Again, Do unto others... And that is what is fundamentally wrong with the human race. can you see the paradox? We are a very selfish race. Even the good deeds we do, deep down, are for our own selfish reasons. Weither it be for others perseption of you, for salvation, or like myself, because it makes me feel good to give a helping hand, selfishness is what drives the world. Always have, alway will be. That is why the ideal society will never be. No matter how hard we try to use our egos for performing good deeds and to help our fellow man, there are others who will use their egos to harm, to put down and to feed on the weak. You can never have darkness with out light.edit on 19-1-2012 by XLR8R because: (no reason given)
God is not person in flesh as are we.Who do you mean by "God"? The same thing as the infinite creator, Father character you were describing earlier? Is Jesus, God, or something else? You seem to be making him out as not God, just someone who earned his way to a promotion. That would not be an orthodox way to describe Jesus, since normally Jesus is considered God and part of a Trinity.
Biblically He is Spirit, John 4:24, and I'd rather lean on Jesus than my own understanding.And what does Jesus say about his Father, Jesus being himself God? A spirit? And what, exactly, would that mean? No one has seen the Father? And what would that mean, and would it include God?
Jesus was with the Father in the beginning, Gen 1:26 & John 1:3, and I believe Jesus now resides at Gods right hand, again as he did at first, in the flesh because Jesus knew no sin.John 1:3 could also be taken to mean, 'This thing was before God.'
God relates to Job how He is author of all that exists: laws, universe, everything (Job 38) I'm not sure if you're saying God has made up for our shortcomings or if you accuse Him of having shortcomings. I'd agree with the first, not the last.
And, im not sure if your last statement is a question or what but Love, this is how we know love: 1 John 3:16+.It was a question and I was asking where does this love of God for us come from and what exactly is its nature and why would it be directed towards us? I was trying to hint at a possible answer that it is evident to God that there is a purpose that comes from those principles that created the universe and guides those who are the pure spirits.
God has made Himself known and knowable in Love, in His Son, in grace through faith
Originally posted by Patriotsrevenge
1.God only cares about the soul of man and animals. It does not matter to him if you die on earth so much as your soul is not corrupted or lost.
3.Keep dreaming and when he is standing in-front of you, what are you going to say?
4. There is only one true God Yahweh and Jesus. There are lesser gods and if you read the bible with very accurate Hebrew translation you will find out we are all gods as we are Divine in nature. Just do not worship any other God but Yahweh or Jesus and he may save your soul.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Who do you mean by "God"? The same thing as the infinite creator, Father character you were describing earlier? Is Jesus, God, or something else? You seem to be making him out as not God, just someone who earned his way to a promotion. That would not be an orthodox way to describe Jesus, since normally Jesus is considered God and part of a Trinity
Originally posted by jmdewey60And what does Jesus say about his Father, Jesus being himself God? A spirit? And what, exactly, would that mean? No one has seen the Father? And what would that mean, and would it include God
John 1:3 could also be taken to mean, 'This thing was before God.'
There are different words used in Job that are translated as, God. It recognizes the existence of local gods who provide things for one area and there seems to be going on in this story one of these lesser gods pretending to be the creator in order to make Job submit to his judgment against him while Job resists and is later vindicated, so using Job to show that a person is claiming to have created the universe is using the words of a liar
It was a question and I was asking where does this love of God for us come from and what exactly is its nature and why would it be directed towards us? I was trying to hint at a possible answer that it is evident to God that there is a purpose that comes from those principles that created the universe and guides those who are the pure spirits
I'm sure you're just being an antagonist but okay.