Let me first say that I'm seriously impressed by the maturity of the posts in this thread. In many other forums, the pro-vaccine scaremongers would
outnumber the rational thinkers at least 20 to 1 but we seem to have the upper hand for the moment.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by SurrealisticPillow
I'm old enough I lived through having the Whooping Cough (almost died at age 6 and was so sick for three weeks I still remember it), the Measles (had
to be placed in a tub of cold water multiple times a day to bring my fever down), the Mumps (I was thirteen and had them drop on one side) and the
Chicken Pox. Two of my neighbors died from Polio and I still remember standing in line at the school with my Mother when the first vaccine was
People don't remember now, because you have never seen it.
(You've really been through it and I'd be very surprised if you're not suffering from serious chronic illness.)
Like a lot of people, I witnessed the 9-11 attack (via television) but it took 10 years and websites like ATS before I understood what I had seen.
You experienced/witnessed most of the childhood diseases but after so many decades, you still interpret the experiences using the dominant belief
I like to think that I have a special ability to search out the truth amidst all the dogma and superstition but in reality, I just have a
teflon-coated brain that programming won't stick to. It leaves me free to rationally consider the alternative viewpoints and then decide which camp,
if any, I will join.
Having performed research similar to DJM8507
, I know that, on face value,
there is an overwhelming number of research studies that support vaccination as both safe and efficacious. However, what counts is not the number of
opinions but the results and that's where the vaccination facade begins to crumble. When you discover like I did, that it's built on a false
foundation, any remaining credibility for it completely disintegrates.
Medical profession insiders have been coming out for centuries against vaccination either completely or as practised, but they are quickly ostracised
by their fraternity. But instead of focussing just on the heretics, let's see the words of a pro-vaccine doctor about the quality of vaccine
In the words of the Committee Chair, Ellen Wright Clayton,
Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and
Although the committee is optimistic that more can and will be known about vaccine safety in the future, the limitations of the currently available
peer-reviewed data meant that , more often not, we did not have sufficient scientific information to conclude whether a particular vaccine caused
a specific rare adverse event.
Alleged adverse effects that appear to be immune mediated, as many of them are, are more challenging, in part because the biology is not completely
understood. One potentially useful line of inquiry as science advances is to assess whether the vaccine recipient who suffers harm had a
preexisting susceptibility to that particular adverse event as such studies may provide insight into the mechanisms by which such events occur.
Neither of these statements stand as a glowing testimony to the evidence base and level of science underpinning what is in effect a dangerous
experiment with humans as the guinea pigs.
Now see what Dr Thomas Jefferson, who may one day be considered one of the Founding Fathers of Rational Thinking, has to say about the quality of
research published in prestigous journals:
Relation of study quality, concordance, take home message, funding, and impact in studies of influenza vaccines: systematic review
Conclusion: Publication in prestigious journals is associated with partial or total industry funding, and this association is not explained by
study quality or size.."
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
You won't find any long term clinical studies showing that the vaccines are a danger except on very rare occasions.
Correct. You also won't find any random control studies, or for that matter, studies with a control group to prove vaccine effectiveness. Why?
Because the industry has no end of excuses for not conducting proper scientific study AND because the public accepts their word that vaccines work AND
because the industry knows that such a study would have a negative result.