Lawrence O'Donnell responds to AP's claim that Ron Paul fly's first class on government dime., page 4
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reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 12:12 AM by marinesniper0351
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Obvious because "they believe" he has no chance and propping RP up takes votes from Newt and Mitt...

Pretty simple actually...they still support their lizard overlord and are show as being centrists in the process...

Brilliant...but easy to spot...for shame...

sniper


reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 07:18 AM by GeorgiaGirl
Originally posted by calnorak
reply to post by sealing


www.good.is...

Here's the exact quote, taped on a conservative cruise to the Mediterranean in 2009: "Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to quote, 'spread the wealth around.' At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched."

Did you even read that article? Mischievous speculation is not lying, admittedly its not what you would want in journalism. Even though he found it far fetched he went with it. If I heard someone say they wanted to spread the wealth around, I'd think socialist/communist, so its definitely not lying, spin it is.


I agree with you on that. Obama's own words, spreading the wealth around, imply distributionist ideals...to most of us, that means socialism/communism.

Every single news channel now has commentators. They comment on the news. They give opinions. They spin. Fox comments and spins in a way that makes the right wing happy. Other news agencies comment and spin in a way that makes the left wing happy. I don't think any of them LIE. A commentator "mischieviously speculating", in his own words...anyone who thinks these commentators are simply reporting facts doesn't understand the news media today. That ship has sailed. Journalists of the past would be appalled, but that's what the media is...ALL of these channels are like that.


reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 04:43 PM by narwahl
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Originally posted by spyder550
Now I'm confuse how is spinning not a lie and how is an uncorrected mistake not a lie. Actually I love this uncorrected mistake thing - through a lie out there - gets called down - oops it was a mistake our bad, doesn't get called and it is pitchforks and torches.


It's like the political commercial I cited earlier, put out by a pac against Santorum, that they are currently playing in SC. In the commercial, they say he voted to support a teapot museum. We all know that Santorum didn't actually champion this teapot museum...it was an earmark in an appropriations bill.
Santorum voted for a large appropriations bill that included an earmark for the project, but there’s no evidence he specifically supported the museum.
www.politifact.com...

The ad is not a lie, because Santorum DID vote on legislation that included this teapot museum. The commercial spins it to sound like he's a teapot whacko, but they are not lying about his vote.

Unfortunately, how many voters don't understand that?

But ALL SIDES do it. Just wait until we have a Republican candidate vs. Barack Obama. Both sides are going to run some UGLY ads. Obama has a billion dollars to spend. It's going to be brutal.


If I told you that 8 was larger than 9 would you call that spin or a lie?
cloudfront.mediamatters.org...
(Look at the left side and the right side of that graph)

If I told you that hacking 13 year old murder victims phones was the same thing as getting hacked, would you call it a spin or a lie?
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