Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Astyanax
Can you be an evolutionist who believes in a creator and not get flamed even if you do not think that religion or creation should be taught in schools? I certainly hope the world of enlightened men are open to that.
edit on 18-1-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Astyanax
You call that a victory? Sounds more to me like its George Orwell's 1984.
You WILL teach what we want you to teach or we will take your funding !
You will not give kids a choice on what to believe, you will only force this one view on them or you won't be able to get funding for your school.
Dude.. this isn't a victory, it's a sham.. no matter what you believe about evolution vs intelligent design. These folks just used this creation vs evolution debate to gain power. That is the least scientific thing that could have happened.
If this reflects the state of science today, no wonder so many people choose to believe in ID on faith. Faith gives eternal hope - it doesn't let people down like science and politics do.
Creationism advocates from the US traveled to Istanbul May 2007 to meet with their counterparts, seeking to galvanize their link in the fight to bring creationism to schools and universities in their respective countries. The meeting was endorsed by Istanbul mayor Kadir Topbas, a member of the Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP). "There are outstanding figures within Islamic theology who have participated in this discussion. There is no reason to be surprised, there is a very rich tradition," David Berlinski, keynote speaker for the meeting and an analyst for the US-based Discovery Institute, an organization that opposes what it terms "neo-Darwinism," told ISN Security Watch. "This is a hot issue. We are in the midst of a worldwide religious revival. Historians 500 years from now will talk about the religious revival of the late 20th century and early 21st century." The meeting appeared to be well received by the audience of college and high school students, drawn from the city's elite education institutions. "Darwinism is, of course, against Muslim belief system as well," Ayse Sayman, a 20-year-old student at Istanbul's Bosphorus University told ISN Security Watch. "That is why it makes sense that it is debated here as well. And counter-arguments should be developed to the theory. That is why I am interested in this."
They have generic, forward-sounding names like Horizon Science Academy, Pioneer Charter School of Science and Beehive Science & Technology Academy. Quietly established over the past decade by a loosely affiliated group of Turkish-American educators, these 100 or so publicly funded charter schools in 25 states are often among the top-performing public schools in their towns. The schools educate as many as 35,000 students — taken together they'd make up the largest charter school network in the USA — and have imported thousands of Turkish educators over the past decade. But the success of the schools at times has been clouded by nagging questions about what ties the schools may have to a reclusive Muslim leader in his late 60s living in exile in rural Pennsylvania. Described by turns as a moderate Turkish nationalist, a peacemaker and "contemporary Islam's Billy Graham," Fethullah Gülen has long pushed for Islam to occupy a more central role in Turkish society. Followers of the so-called Gülen Movement operate an "education, media and business network" in more than 100 countries, says University of Oregon sociologist Joshua Hendrick.
Terence McKenna speaks in 1998 about what is known as 'The Strange Attractor,' or as he refers to it - the transcendental object at the end of time. He proposed that time and history flow towards an event in the perceived future (rather than being pushed by events in the past). Though time as we experience it flows from past to present, perhaps the fundamental nature of time and causal universal relationships is less linear than commonly believed. Could there be/will be/have been an event somewhere along the timeline that set things into motion and allowed for the existence of consciousness and the experience of time itself? Perhaps that event initiated a process that formed a loop which both posed a question and then answered itself (with the help of history and our participation within it).
"The ways of the Creator are not our ways, Mr. Deasy said. All human history moves towards one great goal, the manifestation of God." ~ James Joyce, (Ulysses)
Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by Astyanax
I think both models will be superceded.
