The Image of the Beast Revealed - 6 Electrons, 6 Protons, 6 Neutrons and it Speaks

What are the odds that a prisoner in a cave, 2000 years ago, knew the atomic structure of Carbon, Nitrogen and Oxygen? Are the odds worth denying the truth? Please give me your input. Have I found the image of the beast?

Revelation 13

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

If you have read my previous thread on the mark of the beast, you will recall that the atomic number of Carbon is based on 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. The significance of this reveals that carbon is the beast. We are made from carbon, so carbon is the mark of mankind. We also use carbon and fossil resources to design our world.

My focus in this thread will be to decipher the image of the beast as applied to buying and selling the products of this world. As this concept may still be a mystery, please consider that what I am expounding here may not fully paint the entire picture of what the image of the Beast will ultimately involve.

Mankind

To conquer this Beast within ourselves, we must overcome our desire. Satan is a representation of our desire. Is Satan a real being? (That’s a good question for another thread.) The main desire used to pull us away from God is greed. Greed, as well as all other forms of sinful behavior, is caused by pride. Pride is the elevation of self over others. To overcome ourselves, we place God first in our lives, as Lord of our lives. This faith then reveals love by works. Love considers others first. God is one of the others. If we love God, we must love other as an expression of our faith in God. Christ said to even love your enemies (LUKE 10).

Fossil Fuel

Another beast that plagues our society is fossil fuel. Fossil fuels are also made of carbon. Despite the fact that alternatives exist to solve this problem, greed is the main stumbling block holding back our progress toward renewable energy. The beast in this case is both man and the resources used.

Technology

Consumer products such as water bottles, electronics, cars, tires and so on are all made from carbon in one form or another. The beast in this case is waste and dangerous chemicals. Our precious planet, the garden we were planted in, is being consumed. What is consumed is not returned to nature in a helpful manner. In this case, the beast is once again mankind and his use of the provisions of the earth.

When considering the verse above, can we fit technology and fossil fuel into the image of mankind (The beast)? Consider the alter you are using this moment to read this thread. Is a man speaking to you from the image? Take a look at the cup of soda you purchased this week from the store. Did the technology allow you to purchase this product? Was the cup pressed into an image? Was the logo of mankind placed on the image? Did you throw that image into the trash so it moves on to the landfill? Who’s image was on that cup? What profit was that cup to humanity? Who gained in greed?

The Beast of Corporate Consumerism

Mankind has moved consumer goods made from carbon into a global market. Apart from the image of technology, we cannot buy or sell anything. The mark is one of mankind’s making. It is destroying the earth. It serves us by dazzling our desires. In turn, we serve this image in the form of corporate payments. What brand of coffee do you like the best? Who produced that coffee and who profits? Where did the clothes on your back come from? What sweatshop produced these for you? Is truth being served or is the beast?

Worshiping the Image

Do we worship our idols in the arena of corporate advertising? I guess this depends on how we define worship. If we consider worship as adoration for something we perceive greater than ourselves, then we lower our own worth. If we place the desire for the technology over our desire to benefit mankind, then we may be seeing a trend toward lowering the value of the bio-mechanical technology that God created for us to use in this Garden (The Body). Is there a better technology than the one you are wearing in the form of a bio-mechanical body? Is there a better technology than a flower; an orange; a tree? Does the earth need the abiotic oil to sustain the living life above the soil? Is it part of the process of sustaining the earth? What harm are we doing by extracting it from the earth?

A question arises in all of this: What did God say about the garden of Eden and our place in it? What did he tell us about spaceship earth? He gave us one choice: Either we take the fruit of knowledge (technology) and die, or we allow Him to be our Lord and give us what we desire in the proper context of truth. The fruit was meant to be a gift. As a result of taking the fruit, we must die and face judgment for our works. Nothing we can do will put Humpty Dumpty back together again (See this thread). All of the King’s tools and all of the King’s scientists will not be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. See this thread. The choice to jump off the wall without God's help was made. The egg is cracked when it should have been patient until hatching.

God has given us the blueprint in his Word. We overcome by using the breath we were given to speak the truth. Nitrogen has an atomic structure of 7 protons, 7 electrons and 7 neutrons. This is also the number for God's completion in creation and forms the heptadic structure of the Bible. Oxygen has an atomic structure of 8 protons, 8 electrons and 8 neutrons. This is also the number for Jesus in Greek gematria. These gasses comprise 99% of the breath we use to speak the Word of God. The question is, which words do we value? Who is our Lord? Will we choose God or the beast?

I say overcome and seek God first. Can the context of our history with what a man said in a cave 2000 years ago be denied? You decide. I already have for myself. I choose Christ as Lord and I seek the Kingdom of God instead of men. Can I overcome by myself? No. Seek God first. He has already overcome. Place yourself in His care.

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

reply to post by SuperiorEd
You have obviously put a lot of thought into your theory and who's to say your wrong. Not me.
But, Your theory and explaination, although original (as far as I know), can only be accepted as an addition to the countless interpretations of the many different parts of the Bible. Therefore, for me, your take on this only adds to the conflicting and confusing nature of this book.
So this time instead of just thinking this to myself I decided to write my thoughts down.

Me.....the creator of hyperbole

reply to post by trollz
Most translations actually read "Six hundred, three-score and six", but I believe I've heard of alternate numbers.

Regardless, while the thread is definitely interesting and I'll have to read through it more in-depth later, I believe the reference was actually to a single number above 600, and not merely a reference to three sixes.

EDIT:
My Strong's concordance of the KJV gives the greek as chi xi stigma, meaning 600, 60, 6. It looks like Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus gives 616.

Originally posted by trollz
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

It was 616.....but I think you've got the right idea about it all being incorrect.

Originally posted by trollz
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

I think it was spoken so it would not be mistaken. Six Hundred, Three Score (3X20) and Six.

Originally posted by webpirate

Originally posted by trollz
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

It was 616.....but I think you've got the right idea about it all being incorrect.

What do you think of this? One thing I am sure of. Mankind cannot solve his own problems as he is the cause. We must seek God as our Lord in gaining full sentience and civilization. In the last days, the beast will reveal things like this to claim man can change himself. It's the delusion spoken of in the Bible if man can claim the process as his own.

Originally posted by trollz
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

you are going to have to elaborate a lot more than some dismissive quip about 666 being 606.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


Lol....if your god is all knowing, and all powerful as you must think, then he created the problems, so he caused them. Not people.

reply to post by trollz


I believe you mean 616.

According to Wikipedia:

616 ("six hundred and sixteen", or "six hundred sixteen" in American English) is believed by some to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible.[1] Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original.[2]

Papyrus 115:

Papyrus 115 (P. Oxy. 4499, designated by 115 in the Gregory-Aland numbering) is a fragmented manuscript of the New Testament written in Greek on papyrus. It consists of 12 fragments of a codex containing parts of the Book of Revelation. It dates to the 3rd century, ca. 225-275 AD.[1] Grenfell and Hunt discovered the papyrus at Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.

Double post, please delete.

Just my thoughts- I don't know whether the OP is correct or not, but if he is, the fact that Carbon which is 666 is the main material of the World and represents all worldly things could be sort of a symbol God cleverly used in creation to show that things of the world (made of carbon) were of the Beast. However, in my opinion, I don't think the Beast would literally be carbon, but rather an actual character/entity/person... Carbon is inanimate, its just an element, though it might represent as a symbol something greater than that

reply to post by SuperiorEd

The reason why almost all Bible translations show the number as being 666 rather than 616 is that there is evidence from the writings of the early church fathers that 666 was the correct number that John wrote. Also, the ancient Greek words "to mega therion" (but written in Greek letters) and meaning, "the great beast" add up to 666, using the accepted gematria values of the Greek letters. The 616 mistake may have originated by way of the ancient theory that Nero Caesar was the beast. They had to fudge that and make it "Neron Caesar" and spell it in Hebrew in order to make the gematria value 666. But if you remove the fudge factor of the extra letter, the Hebrew for "Nero Caesar" works out to 616. I think some of the ancients were so convinced of the Nero Caesar theory that they changed the scripture to fit their theory better.

But 666 is just one number, six hundred and sixty six. It is not three separate numbers, 6, 6 and 6. But if your thinking were correct and and a carbon 12 atom were the beast, then the image of the beast would be just a model of the carbon atom, such as you might see in a chemistry class, or whatever.

My own pet theory about the two beasts of Revelation 13 is that they symbolize our modern science and technology. Technology is the 2nd beast, the one that works all the great signs, and science is the 1st beast, the one that many people worship as an unbeatable hero. Thus the talking image of the beast should be an AI (artificial intelligence) yet to be constructed, one that is made in the image of all man's science. My guess is that 666 will be its model number or name. And because it seems so superhumanly intelligent, the whole world will worship and obey it as though it were a living god, and put it in charge of all buying and selling, so that no one can buy or sell unless they have a mark for computer identification, the mark of the beast.

Suppose the IBM Corporation creates the first real AI, one that can think better and faster than any human being. Here's a funny anagram waiting to be found by it:

IBM creates the first AI = I'm terrific as the beast!

reply to post by SuperiorEd


Hey guys, I dont think I would ever say this (seeing that Superior and I disagree on just about everything) but good job! Dont hate on him! Unless he took this from some website, if he actually made this connection himself, I applaude you. And to be honest, there are so many translation screw ups, for all we know the screw up that we made may have corrected a screw up somewhere else therefore nullifying the first screw up.

The point is, even though I do not beleive in the book of revelations, and follow the native american faith that all religons are real, and all religons are false, this is pretty ingenious.

Originally posted by trollz
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but wasn't the original number actually 606, not 666, thereby making the whole thread incorrect?

Actually it was 616

Originally posted by darkredfish
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Hey guys, I dont think I would ever say this (seeing that Superior and I disagree on just about everything) but good job! Dont hate on him! Unless he took this from some website, if he actually made this connection himself, I applaude you. And to be honest, there are so many translation screw ups, for all we know the screw up that we made may have corrected a screw up somewhere else therefore nullifying the first screw up.

The point is, even though I do not beleive in the book of revelations, and follow the native american faith that all religons are real, and all religons are false, this is pretty ingenious.

Actually this WAS taken from a website. Plus it's an old theory. I even posted this theoretic possibility on my own site back in 2003. Old news that after much investigation doesn't pan out even if the number was in fact 666.

To be more precise... copied from his article... superiored.blogspot.com...


his article probably but yet.... still old news and just an article covering already touched on topics.

reply to post by webpirate


But what did god give to his creation and is spoken about many times in holy scripture? Free will.. Seeing this argument over and over again gets tiring

Name the things made of Carbon that would qualify as a graven image to God:

Deuteronomy 4

Idolatry Forbidden

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

Image of Man (Robot). Image of Woman (Pornography). Image of bird that flies in the air (Plane, Jet). Creature moving on the ground (Car, Tank..). Fish in the water (boat/Submarine). In the Heavens (Space Travel).

We covered this passage in our Sunday School class today. The topic was living our lives on the side of giving or taking.