What private sector experience does Ron Paul bring to the table? What experience does he have in job, page 5

reply to post by Diablos

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Any of the Gops proposing bringing jobs back to the USA are LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH !!!!

reply to post by Diablos

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No he reads history and knows what the country needs to avoid and you can't forget your countries history otherwise you end up in the same place you are in now and heading

reply to post by Diablos

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Government doesn't create jobs. The free market creates jobs. Ron Paul will allow the free market to operate. If you ask me, we have enough corporatism in government, we don't need somebody with corporate experience, we need someone who understands free markets and capitalism.

When the government "creates jobs" what they mean to say is they have taken money out of your pocket because they know how to spend it better than you. They make an investment in a company for their political reasons rather than you making an investment in a company or you making an investment in yourself and family.

You want to create jobs then elect a candidate that will allow the free market to actually operate not one who says he knows the best way to spend money.

You want to create jobs, get rid of the inflation. When are money has more value the jobs will come back.

I'll answer your question, but most importantly the man has almost always been RIGHT.

Much more so than the "so called experts".

His medical practice of 25 years which not only gives him private sector experience but qualifies him to comment on Obamacare.

He believes in knowledge and wisdom having taught himself the mechanics of economics.

To the point that he has accurately warned us about future events to near startling accuracy.

Its no coincidence that even a neo-con propaganda rag like Time magazine wrote an article about Ron Paulaccurately titled "The Prophet".


PLEASE stop comparing Ron Paul to Obama, who was a 2 year unknown Senator prior to the election.

Ron Paul has a documented history spanning almost 30 years. We KNOW that Ron Paul will keep his promises, he is a man of his word.

reply to post by Diablos

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Some important facts you're missing:

1) the president doesn't have a great deal of direct influence over the economy or job creation - this is mainly affected by various acts and legislation of Congress
2) Dr. Paul obviously has a pretty good understanding of the various situations, as he warned us about the economic crash, housing collapse, and various other issues stemming from our banking, business, and legislative practices years in advance.
3) Paul also obviously understands a bit about jobs and their creation directly, as he's actively and vocally resisted and voted against terrible ideas and job killers like NAFTA and others.
4) Job experience doesn't mean a whole lot in federal government anyway, since you can't even try to run a country the same way you do a business, even if such were in the job description and capabilities - which it isn't. Businesses and nations have entirely different forecast outlooks and factors to take into consideration.
5) The people who DO have some other job experience in this race also actively put forth a veritable slew of bad ideas, exhibit lack of understanding of fundamental issues we're dealing with, and for good part lack of general common sense or restraint as per the restrictions on the office itself.

It's frankly quite a silly argument you've built here, for these and various other reasons I haven't thought to mention offhand.

reply to post by Dragoon01

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Good post!


Mainly because thats more or less what I said last page. Still waiting for the OP to respond so you should get in line.


But I don't think the OP is interested in actual debate over the role of the president/government and their 'creation of jobs'. This thread seems more like a Ron Paul hit piece. Fortunately, we're bringing a bit of sanity in here.

reply to post by Dragoon01

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They have every right to terminate that arrangement and find someone who will meet the need for a lower cost to them. If that person happens to be in another country so be it.

Although the rest of your post was correct, this part is problematic.
It IS the governments job to manage the imports and tariffs to protect the jobs at home. For example, a business in the states is doing harm to the people of the states by importing goods from countries that employ slave labor. The outsourcing of jobs overseas is fine if the country has fair labor standards and pays a (local) living wage. In my opinion, we should not allow the import of goods from countries that have extremely bad labor standards. You can't expect a U.S. business to compete, nor can you ask them to demand the same labor conditions that would allow them to compete under these conditions.
Other than that, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by Diablos

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Please post your resume so you can show your qualifications to make such asseesment.

I think he is some 2nd year engineering student from some no name college that believes Romney will create all these jobs for Mmmmericans. He believes that Ron Paul will support free market, outsource jobs, and leaving him with no job; while completely denying the fact that Romney outsourced jobs when he was connected with Bain Capital. His belief that Romney's experience at Bain being the perfect candidate for being the POTUS is just ludicrous and juvenile.

He doesn't realize by nominating more corporate raiders and big bankers, the end result being the same. Ron Paul wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS. I don't know about you but that's a great start. You can't solve the current problems if you keep on electing the same criminals that caused the problems. I would think anyone with a common sense would figure this out but it's obvious this isn't the case...

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow

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No that leads to trade wars and protectionism as the founders of the US found out. The best practice in that situation is to advertise this and use the market to drive those practices out of favor.

Now I will say something that most people will find ofensive but so be it. There is nothing inherently wrong with third world labor practices. I am not talking about actual slave labor as that is unacceptable but many things that we in the west consider barbaric in terms of working conditions were present in our own past as little as 60 to 70 years ago. Western protectionists rail against things like child labor or peice work and not paying a "living wage" but 70 years ago that was the norm here in the US. Its hypocritical for the west to demand that impoverished nations bend to our standards when they are not ready for that level of economic development. Those changes need to come to those countries in time but they have to develope them internally and via a natural market process. Why is it that the same people who scream for high import tariffs on goods scream and shout about the US meddling in the afairs of the middle east? Placing a tariff on goods to artifically raise their price crushes those third world countries. That is no different than "exploiting" them via invasion. It just sounds better to you because you dont see pictures of people getting killed by western soldiers. They also dont show you the pictures of the people who lose their only source of income once those factories shut down. Well I take that back they show them to you when they are starving and they want you to donate money to their celebrity save the dirty poor fest.
International trade is a complex issue but its still not the place of the government to control the market. I dont have a problem with the government taxing imports provided its equally applied and there are no special classifiactions that allow companies to craft exceptions via political donations.

reply to post by Dragoon01

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The government of a people is charged with protecting the interests of those people, not the interests of corporate profits above all else. There is nothing wrong with requiring goods that are imported to be from companies and countries that pay a living wage. How that is determined can be up for debate, but not the simple fact that it would be good for Americans. That is without dispute.
Trade wars usually came as a result of governments imposing unfair tariffs to protect industry at home. This comes back to corporate profits more than wages. I understand that the unions abused their power, that is not the issue here. The issue is whether protecting the wages of Americans is good for Americans.
There is actually very little that the U.S. needs to import. Beneficial trade is a good thing, but not when cheap goods are imported from third world countries that work the dog # out of their people, where the people have no option but this form of slavery or starvation. This does nothing for the people of either country.

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