reply to post by InsideYourMind
Tiling Window Manager, or Tom's Window Manager
X TERMinal emulator
I never asked you what they meant. I was telling you most people don’t know. That’s the issue.
You say you have experience with Solaris, HP-UX or BSD... yet you reffer to the names of standard modules in the X.Org distribution as
"code".... give me a break. So then tell me, what about the windows world... common ones such as NTFS? GDI? PnP? You going to tell me those are not
cryptic? Why does it matter.
I never did that. Windows users, by and large, have no idea what NTFS is either. They don’t have to. It’s all provided for them straight out of
the box. I said the average user doesn’t write code. Not X.org modules, I meant code as in C++, Java, even xBase for cryin’ out loud! Give ME a
Just because you don't know what it is, you don't dismiss it as garbage or do you? Your argument is like saying "I can't read french so it
sucks" or "I can't be bothered to read an instruction manual or a tutorial so it sucks".
I never said it sucks. You’re reacting to what you think I said, emotionally, instead of what I actually said. The average user is NOT going to read
the manual. The average user is NOT going to want to “learn French” to be able to do mundane computing tasks. They want to hit the “on”
button, click on their app, and go. That’s it.
What are you on about... Linux is a multi-tasking kernel... of coursxe it was designed for desktop use, or at least be able to support some
kind of graphical interface (X.Org and a window manager).
Sure, a character-based desktop. The GUIs, such as they are, are an afterthought.
You also say that people expect things to work, and they just want everything to be done automatically. Well here you are wrong. "YOU" want
that. You cannot state something which is an opinion of your use about a computer as fact of everyone else.
Sure I can, based on decades of experience helping users in all kinds of environments, people with no computer training at all who need to learn the
enterprise software running on the system, not the system itself. And I state, categorically and for the record, that your average user has no desire
whatsoever to learn the OS. I’ve been helping and teaching people how to use computers since before you were born, since the days of punched cards,
since before the Apple ][ was new and innovative through the entire CP/M and the MS-DOS lifecycle, and on into every version of Windows that ever was.
And I’ve used Linux, too. I am not some sysadmin who dwells in the computer room and never sticks head out except to sneer at his constituency.
I’ll put my record up against anybody’s.
I do what i want on my computer, and i expect to be able to do what i want without a restriction or stranglehold with draconian DRM systems in
place to prevent "copying".
Good for you. “Draconian DRM” That’s your issue? I gotta tell you that is not a problem for most people. Now you’re stating what YOU want,
which is really irrelevant to the discussion.
These Linux arguments have not changed one part since ~2005. It's the same old argument all the time about how Linux is not ready for the
desktop and how it utterly sucks, things change very fast with open source.
That’s because nothing has really changed. Linux is not on the desktop. Nobody buys it for the desktop. Nobody expects to go to Dell and get a
Linux-based PC. There’s no consumer market for it.
You say it’s all desperation, but it is you who are desperate. The fact is, despite all your efforts, despite all your proselytizing about the
so-called superiority of Linux, the market share of Linux is zilch. Nada. Near zero. After all these years you’ve accomplished nothing substantial.
The software situation with Linux is chaotic. The driver situation is in a tatters. The “distros” are laughable. “Hey, Mom! What flavor of
distro do you want for your next Linux build?” Un-freaking-believable.
I mean, how is this not a useful desktop for everyday computing;
Sure it is, but your Mom isn’t using it, is she? She doesn’t know what a dvb-t card is, or KDE, or arch, or Kubuntu. She doesn’t need an
“installer” because she will never ever use an installer. Windows comes installed, and it does its own updates.
Linux might have it's problems, but they are not ones that effect me. Windows is a problem to me.
You are unable to take yourself out of the equation, plus you’re religious about it. To you it's political. It’s not all about you. The fact is
that Linux is not on the desktop. Yours, of course, but nobody else. And until the Linux community, which is an oxymoron, can find a way to distribute
and SUPPORT Linux it’s not going to be on the desktop in any substantial numbers.
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