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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Awen24
The death conferred on to creation as a result of the fall is expressly instituted in MAN.
How is it just for God to curse all of his creation based on the sins of just Adam and Eve? Surely, let's say, Gazelles, did nothing wrong to deserve suddenly being the favorite meal of lions. Also, while some carnivores have been known to eat plant life, plants do not grow everywhere that carnivore's live in enough abundance to feed metabolisms like there's. If you're going to suggest that ALL the animals lived in Eden and thus had enough food this only compounds the problem as there are millions and millions of animal species and Eden is meant to be on Earth.
The inference is very clear: no human death occurred prior to the fall.
No it isn't. God had only just created Eve in Chapter 2. By Chapter 3 of Genesis they are banished from Eden. Had it given an amount of years they spent in Eden an inference could be made about whether they were immortal but it doesn't say how long it was. It also makes no direct statement about whether they were immortal or not. As sin did not exist in human beings prior to the Fall and, according to you, predatory animals were vegetarian at the time, and disease and such were all products of the Fall, there wouldn't be anything to test whether Adam and Eve were actually immortal. There would be nothing endangering them and thus no reason for them to die whether they were immortal or not.
The best that can be said is that the text doesn't RULE OUT that they were immortal.
This nullifies your argument of thousands of years, particularly given that the Word (Jesus Christ) is "the same yesterday, today and forever".
Only if you're gullible enough to believe the Bible's claim that it is the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit. But any book can claim to be God inspired. The Bible was written by men.
Originally posted by questforevidence
In Mark Booth's book Secret History of the World as told by the Secret Societies (or Mystery Schools) some of the first people were actually plants. The way we evolved was Minerals > Plants > Animals > Humans as seen in The Wizard of Oz. The Tin Man > The Scarecrow guy > The Cowardly Lion > and Dorothy.
...I'm suggesting that the long lifespan of man led to a number of issues prior to the flood that God wished to spare us from after the flood.
But you're making my point for me. If letting human kind leave the garden of Eden full of sin with an almost millennial lifespan led to a "number of issues" this implies that God made a mistake. Of course one could just as easily argue that creating imperfect beings that could be corrupted and then putting the thing that could easily corrupt them within their grasp and then pointing it out to them without ever giving them a sense of right and wrong is a pretty big mistake. If God were perfect things would have gone perfectly.
the more convinced I become that God's Word
How are you even convinced that it is "God's Word" to begin with...
Originally posted by WEALLNEED2KNOW
For some reason my last post never was posted hate it when that happens! Anyways just wanted to say I appreciate all the good insight on the subject so carry on! I never thought that I would get so many different responses but there I go again thinking silly me. It is the #1 selling book of all time is what im told so there would have to be so many different opinions makes sense to me!