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Newt Gingrich: "Let's allow terrorist attacks to happen." - Ron Paul ad

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 11:28 AM
reply to post by Kristinaso

Hmmm. I have a feeling that would have had more weight had it not followed what appear to be lies.

Perhaps these will help illustrate my point about thousands of Jihadi terrorists (i.e. the more faithful-to-the-founding documents Muslims planning to obey the Koran and exterminate more American non-muslims) crossing the Mexican border.

For some Texans, the arrest of a radical Islamic cleric smuggled from Mexico into the United States in the trunk of a BMW is a vivid reminder that potential terrorists could also slip across the boundary almost anytime, anywhere.

At least 875 so-called “special interest aliens” from 35 nations with suspected ties to terrorism have been apprehended along the southwestern border between Texas and California over the past 17 months, according the U.S. Border Patrol.

The arrests include the high profile case of former Montreal imam Said Jaziri, a native of the watch list country of Tunisia, who was arrested for unlawful entry near San Diego in January.

Texas continues to be the land route of choice,

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Terrorist Group Setting Up Operations Near Border

Hezbollah Considered To Be More Advanced Than Al-Qaida

POSTED: 4:53 pm PDT May 4, 2011

UPDATED: 6:27 pm PDT May 4, 2011

SAN DIEGO -- A terrorist organization whose home base is in the Middle East has established another home base across the border in Mexico.
"They are recognized by many experts as the 'A' team of Muslim terrorist organizations," a former U.S. intelligence agent told 10News.
The former agent, referring to Shi'a Muslim terrorist group Hezbollah, added, "They certainly have had successes in big-ticket bombings."

Some of the group's bombings include the U.S. embassy in Beirut and Israeli embassy in Argentina.
However, the group is now active much closer to San Diego.
"We are looking at 15 or 20 years that Hezbollah has been setting up shop in Mexico," the agent told 10News.

MORE sobering info in that article is at the link.

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Sheriff Babeu says: "If 400 thousand plus make it through, the majority make it through without any law enforcement detection of course people with military training or those with deliberate plans against our country or any of our allies could make it through with much greater ease."


Patrol agents told one Arizona newspaper that 77 males "of Middle Eastern descent" were apprehended in June in two separate incidents. All were trekking through the Chiricahua mountains and are believed to have been part of a larger group of illegal immigrants. Many were released pending immigration hearings. According to Solomon Ortiz, the Congressman for Corpus Christi in Texas, similar incidents are "happening all over the place. It's very, very scary".

The two groups of Arab males were discovered by patrol guards from Willcox, Arizona. "These guys didn't speak Spanish," said one field agent, "and they were speaking to each other in Arabic. It's ridiculous that we don't take this more seriously. We're told not to say a thing to the media." A colleague told the paper: "All the men had brand-new clothing and the exact same cut of moustache." Local ranchers have also reported a rise in the sightings of large groups of young males.

CONTINUED NEXT POST . . . I still haven't found the refs I'm looking for.

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 11:36 AM
reply to post by Kristinaso


Texas Border Patrol agents discovered, along with Iranian currency and Islamic prayer rugs, an Arabic clothing patch that reads “martyr” and “way to immortality.” Another shows a jet flying into a skyscraper.

“Members of Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based terrorist organization, have already entered the United States across our southwest border,” declares “A Line in the Sand,” a 2006 report by the House Homeland Security Investigations Subcommittee, then-chaired by Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas).

Are Terrorists Flooding Across the Border?
by Tom Fitton

Here are the highlights from the documents, which we obtained pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request filed on January 26, 2011:
•U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended 463,382 individuals smuggled across the border, including 8,905 smugglers. (3,027 of the smugglers apprehended were deemed “deportable.”)
•U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended 59,017 “Other Than Mexican” illegal aliens through October 7, 2010.


"To this day we do not know where those 300 Somalis are," said Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas. "We do know they are in the United States."

A 2009 Government Accounting Office report confirmed agents have picked up three known terrorists who crossed the southwestern border of the United States. No other information was released.


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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 11:45 AM
reply to post by Kristinaso

. . .

T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, says the Border Patrol has "reliable intelligence that there are terrorists living in South America, assimilating the culture and learning the language" in order to blend in with Mexicans crossing the border.

"We really don't know who comes into this country illegally over the Southwest border," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., says. "This is a big problem."

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. . .
Details of al-Qaeda’s penetration into Latin America emerged from documents discovered during recent anti-terrorist operations in Pakistan to try and locate Osama bin Laden.

The documents included evidence that al-Qaida has established links with the Colombian terror group, FARC, and the Shining Path, SL, in Peru. They also reveal al-Qaida’s links with thousands of Muslim students in the Dominican Republic.

Another Pakistani document shows the links between al-Qaida and Mexico’s Popular Revolutionary Army, EPR. The documents reveal that al-Qaida sees EPR as collaborators in attacks in Mexico on foreign targets – “especially those of the United States and Britain.” It also says that EPR can play a key role in allowing al-Qaida operatives to enter the United States through the busiest land crossing in the world – Tijuana.
. . .

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Six million Muslims live in South American countries which are active in recruiting and training terrorists…Terrorists can move up through South America into Mexico and across the border with relative ease.

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:12 PM
reply to post by Kristinaso


Nationwide, the number of non-Mexicans who are entering the country illegally is skyrocketing, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Through Aug. 9, for the first 10 months of fiscal 2005, a total of 135,097 non-Mexicans had been apprehended out of 1.02 million undocumented immigrants arrested overall. In all of fiscal 2004, the number of non-Mexicans apprehended was 75,392; in fiscal 2003, the figure was 49,545.

. . .

''The borders are worse today than they have ever been," said US Representative John Culberson, a Houston Republican who has filed a bill to create an armed volunteer militia that would be supervised by border-state governors. ''There's an absolute invasion going on."

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. . .
In November 2005, Zapata County, Texas Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said it's not a matter of "if," but "when," a terrorist will enter the United States through Mexico with a dirty bomb or some other weapon of mass destruction (WMD).

Around the same time, Adnan Shukrijumah – an important Al Qaeda operations member, according to US intelligence officials - was suspected of hatching a plot to smuggle a dirty bomb - or materials to manufacture one - across the US-Mexico border. Fortunately, there is no indication that Shukrijumah’s purported dirty-bomb plot ever got very far.
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A 2006 congressional report on border threats, titled "A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border" and prepared by the House Committee on Homeland Security Subcommittee on Investigations, indicated that 1.2 million illegal aliens were apprehended in 2005 alone, and 165,000 of those were from countries other than Mexico. Approximately 650 were from "special interest countries," or nations the Border Patrol defines as "designated by the intelligence community as countries that could export individuals that could bring harm to our country in the way of terrorism."

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Let's just take the 165,000 figure from the quote just above.

Let's pretend that ONLY 100,000 of those are terrorists.

Let's assume that ONLY 10-30% of such are apprehended--per the expert's quote above. That is, that the 100,000 represents ONLY 10-30% of the terrorists entering that year..

IF THAT'S 10% . . . then 1,000,000 MILLION terrorists entered.

That's NOT really that far fetched an estimate.

PRETEND it is only 100,000 terrorists . . . those caught . . .

IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN in a public school . . .
how thrilled and comfortable would you be that 25 or so
of said 100,000 have targeted your child's school
to mass murder all those children . . .
as they have DEMONSTRATED they have the training, plan, intent, capacity to do?

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:07 PM
reply to post by BO XIAN

Wow did you waste a lot of time to only end up still not backing the actual claims you made and that I questioned.
The key to good lying is quality, not quantity.

Maybe I missed the post that proved your claims in this huge mess of links to things that do not. Just highlight for me where the 1000s of "jihadi" terrorists enter the country each month and that they have already brought in van nukes. That is all I need to see. Not this wall of other stuff.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:14 PM
reply to post by sheepslayer247

I imagine the response of the crowd to "kill em!" in Newts speach is a lot like how the Mayans reacted to the killings in their last days of bloodshed.

What kind of upbringing did those people have that makes them cheer at the proposition of killing someone?

My mother and father would not condone such behaviour, nor would our society at large.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:26 PM
Newt is in my dictionary as the definition of Douche...

... having said that, his point was; The Bush Government is doing such a great job stopping terrorism, that we cannot prove how good we are -- so maybe we have to let a bad guy through now and then, to remind you how awesome we are.

Which makes sense. But Gingrich shouldn't have said it because he's the kind of guy who would HIRE the terrorists to remind you how awesome he is. Besides, we aren't due for another 9/11 for at least two years into a failed Republican administration, where they fall asleep on the job and solve this problem by not firing the Narcoleptics in charge, but giving them all Viagra and Machine Guns.

>> Besides, the terrorists didn't attack America, not because Bush's 100,000+ list didn't add more needles to the haystack and make it EASIER for them to move around, but because they didn't want to get in the way of an enemy in the middle of hanging himself. Nobody could have done more damage to America than the Bush government. Nobody.
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:31 PM

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by g146541

True, RP did not state that he endorsed this video. It only states "Ron Paul 2012" at the end.

That is not the important part. What's important is Newt's statement.

Ahhh, so now that's an important point. So a competitors words have been used, perhaps out of context - who knows, with the words Ron Paul 2012 at the end.

If Mr Ronald was shown in a video with the words 'let's legalise drugs' and 'let's legalise abortion' with no context to it and it said "Mitt Romney 2012", all of you who follow Ronald would be up in arms wouldn't you? You would be screaming "that's taken out of context" as high as you could - which I think for some of you may be fairly high. What's the difference? You have a clip, not a full interview, you don't know the context or all the points being replied to, but......... well, what can I say

ETA, well, what can I say, that 56 second vid is edited to the eyeballs to capture quotes out of context - this is all getting very sad.
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Dreamer99
It never ceases to amaze me the things that will get past a politician's lips. Do they not realize that every single thing they say on camera will come back in some way or another? I'm not advocating deception, by any means, simply laughing at sheer stupidity. You would think someone with a political agenda would try a little bit harder to hide their true motives.

Much of it is done on purpose in the art of bait and switch because the MSM obviously picks up "controversial" topics. Now what Newt does as per the Karl Rove playbook, is instead of clarify his wacky position, he talks about how his administration will keep Americans safe by proactively targeting the "terrorists".

Most of these politicians are trained to make statements like this then use it as springboard to address their heavily scripted talking points.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:41 PM

Originally posted by SyphonX
Don't worry Newt, there are people above you that might...."let an assassination through" ..every once in a while.... just to remind us.. that officials need not be too extreme..

NEWT BEHIND YOU.. Oh, no... false alarm.

Why does he communicate with such a cold, lifeless, soulless stare? It's eerie.

Too much time spent at Bohemian Grove. All those mock child sacrifices to Molek the owl god and hanging out with adult film stars, it probably took alot out of him.
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:50 PM
Two different Philosophies...Retalitory and Pre-Emptive.

Bush instituted the "Pre-Emptive" Docterine.....Iraq kinda looks like Afghanistan...let's attack them too.

I am not a big fan of attacking countries that might or might not be a threat to us, cuz we have proven we can't tell the difference.

Any country or group that attacks the USA we return the favor a thousand-fold, but simply attacking, invading and occupying countries that "appear" hostile through often distorted vision?

I am with Ron Paul on this.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:51 PM

Originally posted by LoonyConservative
reply to post by sheepslayer247

how is Ron Paul any better? he says we brought 9/11 on ourselves... Ron Paul is the bigger nut. He is willing to be friends with the current Iranian regime, and make it easier for youths to get their hands on drugs. thats the only reason he has the young vote, " wooo legalized drugs, GO RON PAUL!" thats all I see
You either do not have a clue what you are on about or you are trying your hardest to make it seem like what you want it to seem like.

My money is on the latter.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:51 PM
That is the most stupid answer

allowed ?

who the HECK does this man work for

you do not ALLOW something to Remind anyone of anything ..

should we allow a world war 3 to REMIND us of world war 1

Where do they get these people ?

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:54 PM
reply to post by Rafe_

Ron Paul is not a nut ....

A nut is everyone in the system right now

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:11 PM
reply to post by something wicked

The point was made that this ad may not be officially endorsed by Paul. I was trying to discuss the content more than the connection to RP 2012.

I agree that the context of anyone's statements are important, and should be taken into account before making judgement. From what I can tell, this video was not edited in a way to exclude information that would change the context of his statements.

If you can provide information to the contrary, I would be grateful if you would add it to this thread. I have not been able to find such information and considering Newts history of making stupid/outrageous comments I am willing to believe that he made this statement and the context is up to the viewer to interpret.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:13 PM
reply to post by sheepslayer247

Paul is right, Gingrich is a neocon, chikenhawk, slimball, of the kind which all but riuned the USA.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:13 PM
reply to post by sheepslayer247

I was told that it isnt PC to speak tempestuously about this post and it's fraudulence. So I will try my best to speak nicely.

The ENTIRE premise that Newt Gingirch has called for and is calling for the allowance of terrorist attacks on the USA and it's citizens is a LIE. There is no nice way to state the truth other than to call this entire post what it is.

Newt was saying it's ALMOST as if they should, every once in a while, allow a terrorist act to get through....just to remind us.

The person posting this convienently forgot the ALMOST and maybe I should tell you what he was saying since others dont seem to understand him.

People seem to have forgotten that there are terrorists in the world that are TRYING TO KILL US. 9/11 is over it is history and they just dont want to be reminded that we are under attack by terrorists everyday. He was stating that we as citizens of the United States of America need to REMEMBER.

Those that think that he wants another attack are refusing to listen to the entire message. They are picking and choosing their words and leaving out words to twist the truth. Those people are either NOT true Americans and they do not care about Americans OR they are mentally unable to understand the truth.

I would ask all of those that believe this fraudulent post to think for yourselves rather than allowing others to do your thinking for you. They do NOT have your best interest at heart but YOU SHOULD. Please THINK FOR YOURSELF.

I hope I was nice enough!

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:15 PM
Ron Paul supporters are getting overenthusaistic and may end up killing his campaign.

This ad was very low. Gingrich was not saying there should be more terrorist attacks. He was saying ironically Bush administration's success in preventing terrorist attacks has resulted in a low threat perception among the people and the very methods which led to the prevention were being questioned and the administrations efforts would have had more symapthy among the public, had they been less successful. For someone who believes there are terrorists trying to blow up something or the other, that is dark humour but reality as well.

posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 02:20 PM
reply to post by Kristinaso

Hmmmmm 12 into 165,000 = ?


Those interested in THE TRUTH beyond what I've posted above are welcome to continue the net search on their own.

Some of us have loved ones with ranches on the border . . . they SEE such things on a daily basis.

Denial doesn't influence the truth.

It does influence how THE TRUTH IMPACTS the denier.

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