Debate audience goes crazy cheering when Gingrich says "We'll kill our enemies."

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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE

Your sarcasm is only matched by your casusl approach to killing which you flaunt as a badge of courage.

Proof that I have killed and enjoyed it.
Otherwise, just more of your BS.



Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
I hope you have found my posts as entertaining as I have found yours.
and good luck getting your compass fixed.

My compass is just fine.
Good luck serving on your knees, when the time comes.




posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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reply to post by WhiteDevil013
 


The US does not respond to 911 from nations without resources for the taking. Sorry.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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reply to post by mossme89
 


It is not the attitude of the whole country. It is the crazy people that came out that actually think Newt Gingrich is a candidate.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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I don't remember calling you names. If I did I apologize.
I have said I believe your moral compass is broken and you have a thirst for blood and a hunger for killing.
I also believe you have already killed in battle.
Like many here at ATS on both sides of any issue ,you assume too much of me and anyone else who opposes your view on killing. There is more to killing another human being than just pulling the triger. And thats what you don't understand.
Too many soldiers on both side of any war have died because of people that think like you, and many have been spared by people who don't.
My opinins of you ,and others who disagree with your view are drawn from your own self portrait.
And you still don't understand.


More people have been killed by people who think like you and turn their back on threats. Ever heard of the holocaust?

There’s a big difference between “trigger happy” and willingness to pull the trigger for a just cause. You, sir, would do neither. You likely consider no cause just! To me that is far more dangerous.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by mastahunta
 


Yep, nothing like hearing the retort of a Socialist, proclaiming those there as retarded, inbred and so on.

As always, you prove my views on your stances concrete.


Yes, I'm a socialist


You must have been in the audience



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE
 



I don't remember calling you names. If I did I apologize.
I have said I believe your moral compass is broken and you have a thirst for blood and a hunger for killing.
I also believe you have already killed in battle.
Like many here at ATS on both sides of any issue ,you assume too much of me and anyone else who opposes your view on killing. There is more to killing another human being than just pulling the triger. And thats what you don't understand.
Too many soldiers on both side of any war have died because of people that think like you, and many have been spared by people who don't.
My opinins of you ,and others who disagree with your view are drawn from your own self portrait.
And you still don't understand.


More people have been killed by people who think like you and turn their back on threats. Ever heard of the holocaust?




Gee, it couldn't be that big business and big government help engineer the threats
so they can ensure future contracts and more business through munitions, reconstruction
and natural resources



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by rival
I want you to think about the easiest way for the MSM to manipulate the media that they present to us.

...canned laughter, canned applause, and canned boo's.

They could also edit in shots of crowd reactions taken at earlier times during the debate
where the crowd is reacting to something entirely different than what is presented.

Now please go back to the video, and take a good long look at the few seconds of
crowd reaction that is presented. There is something fishy about the timing, something
is not "right" about the crowds reaction. It is almost as if the reaction is to the punchline
of a joke. The smiles I see are not smiles of agreement, they are smiles of laughter, at
something funny, the smiles are genuine, from the heart, and fun. They are not the smiles
of warhawks, justified in their opinions, smug, and clever.

I call hoax on the crowd reaction shot. and I also want everyone to keep a wary eye on
the crowd reactions that are presented in future debates.

WE ARE being manipulated...of that I AM SURE.

And of all the techniques that can be utilized to manipulate our opinions, this group-think
crowd-reaction technique is the safest, easiest and most effective technique I can think of.


Your comment is my favorite in this thread! If I could, I'd give you 1000 stars.
I agree with you fully and really have nothing to add, except---that clip of the laughing/cheering may not even be from that debate. They could have edited in that scene from ANY past broadcast. I do not trust FOX--they edited in an audience reaction to Paul winning the CPAC Straw Poll from the previous year and were caught at it. They later apologized for their 'accident'.
Time to restore America to her former glory. Ron Paul for President!



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta


Gee, it couldn't be that big business and big government help engineer the threats
so they can ensure future contracts and more business through munitions, reconstruction
and natural resources


All the threats are engineered? So the violations of the NPT are drummed up, huh?



The activities documented in the IAEA report, including research related to nuclear warheads, underscore that Tehran’s claims that it is only seeking the peaceful use of nuclear energy are false.

Iran’s warhead work also contradicts its obligation not to pursue nuclear weapons under the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), under which states parties commit “not to seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.”
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OBLIVIOUS?



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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If this the attitude of our country, I have officially lost hope


Don't lose hope, mossme, it's not our entire country, only this particular segment.
As tired as I am with these debates, they do have some merit, as they continue to expose these people for who they really are. The more we see, the more we learn.

I don't think we have degenerated to the point that we will knowingly put a hypocrite, liar, and warmonger such as this in power.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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that debate sounded like a clan rally more than anything with gingrich being the most open "southern strategy" "candidate" there. with them going ape poo over some mob like lynch talk is no wonder all republicans think institutional racism for the sake of maintaining white superiority in america is mandatory for their political platform.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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The issues are the facts that:

The U.S. military personnel don't even know the men and woman they are killing when they go to "war", nor do the people fighting against a U.S. invasion on their countries soil. These people politicians call our enemy aren't our enemy and the same applies to any other country we wage war with, last time I checked my enemy was some kid I had issues with in Junior High School, the only reason I labeled him my enemy was because to me my enemy was someone I just disliked, now I have a developed state of mind. When the hell did an entire countries people become my enemy, or YOUR enemy? Was it because some politician said so? It's a political game, command and conquer. These people aren't your enemies, the ones trying to kill you, hurt you, jeopardize the lives of your loved ones are your enemy, your Government.

We go out and kill millions of innocent civilians and you make an ignorant comment as you did, you have no appreciation for life, you are the type of person I see as my enemy, not some innocent family in some other country I'm told can't be trusted by some politician so I'm obligated to label them my enemy and possibly go out and kill them if it's the governments order for me to do so.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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I am against further killings of precious human lives in ANY form.

Thus, I was shocked initially by the audience response.

But upon reflection, there is nothing to blamed....except for the times we live in.

For years, I had never heard of americans cheering for the killing of enemies enmassed. The odd murders to serve justice perhaps even though unconstitional and deplored, and more often, comments such as 'the republican legislative/democrat legislative oughtta be shot!' kind of verbal or inane remarks with no actual follow up.

Gringrich only spoke out his thoughts freely. But the audience's response was more serious. It is only reflection of our times...

America had often been subject to much verbal abuse by many in our world. Very often, wars were started, not because of any sense of supposed 'imperialism' such as those during the past colonial years by Europe, Arabia and barbarian China hordes, but very often, due to pipesqueks foreign nation's leaders, whom had disregarded human rights to its own citizens and others, and more critically, to the rule of international law, hindering peace and trade - lifeblood of our world.

It had in all honesty, made mistakes, but had never abstained from correcting them. The democratic process allows such changes, for no regime in USA last forever, unlike other foreign nations. President Johnson's, Nixon and Bush's regime ended, and was much reviled, with course corrected with better good men elected to serve the People, and with its economic,military and conscience might, to serve the world.

The american eagle soars into air, beautiful, majestic and free, but pipesqueks around the world with world domination ambitions through enslavement of mankind beware, the eagle has sharp eyes, for it is able to see a mouse in a cornfield, destroying crops, miles up in the air, and WILL strike if necessary.

Americans are fed up, and pushed into a corner today, with accusations of past baggages from every corner. When cornered, the only response is to fight back, and make no mistake, that is something americans will do so willingly with no remorse. No one wish to be bullied, least of all a mighty nation whom values the rule of international law so that all humanity may live in peace.



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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by mastahunta
 


Yep, nothing like hearing the retort of a Socialist, proclaiming those there as retarded, inbred and so on.

As always, you prove my views on your stances concrete.


Yes, I'm a socialist


You must have been in the audience


Nope, as I don't support Newt, he is a Progressive.
And I have had enough dealings with you to know.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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reply to post by FidelityMusic
 


Yep, because all the Military does is kill woman and children.
Sure sure.
Meh for you



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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America's enemies...hmm

Well, I would say enemy combatants should indeed be killed, its kill or be killed, but he didn't say just combatants..just america's enemies.

Now, what is America's enemies according to the fringe right wing. Its of course foreign combatants, terrorists, etc..but its also pirates, liberals, unions, etc etc etc.

I am not fully sure if he accidently forgot the word combatants...I think he purposefully meant to use a broad term. Maybe my tin foil hat is on a bit too tight, but the undertone is quite disturbing considering anyone whom doesn't agree with that party = enemy of america according to their retoric.

Now watch, a few months down the line, when some idiot is talking about how liberalism is the enemy of america, some unbalanced fringe nut will go shoot up the local zookeeper to stick it to them durn liberal animal lovers or some such.
ok, time to loosen the straps a bit.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by FidelityMusic



you are the type of person I see as my enemy,


Ok. I guess.


Well, if stating a threat, with the ability to carry it out, I would have no problem in treating you as an enemy as well.
So, life goes on. Ho-hum.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by FidelityMusic
 


Yep, because all the Military does is kill woman and children.
Sure sure.
Meh for you


How about you do some research and compare the number of innocent civilian casualties to opposition fighter casualties in the last 20 years. Then come with "Sure Sure Meh for you" b.s. comments.The fact that you gave a short reply and half of it was sarcasm shows that you are just talking out of your rear. Sorry man, but you frankly don't know what you're saying when you say it, you were probably apart of the group cheering in the video. hope you're proud to have that icebox in your chest.
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posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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The people in that audience are quite frankly deranged.


I'd say about 90% of Americans are mentally ill or just genuine sociopaths.

The thing with many Americans is that they suffer this acute paranoia that there's always "SOMEONE" out to get them.

It's the Native Americans, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Cuba, Russia, China, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Arabs in general, "TERRORISTS!", COMMUNISTS, Venezuela, Syria, North Korea, Libya etc etc.

These people are always hiding under your bed or they might even be your neighbour!

Watch out, because if you're not careful they'll get you! They threaten America's national security! They hate your freedoms! They're your enemies!

They're your enemies because the media says so.

They tell you to jump and you ask how high.

Here's a couple of quotes from some people you may remember, who quite accurately hit the nail on the head.




“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play” – Joseph Goebbels





“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” – Joseph Goebbels



“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every Country” - Herman Goering





Oh we'll get those members on here, you know the type, the ones who have a soldier or military embelem as their display picture. They're in the military or are ex military and proceed to trumpet their support for the United States and military action. How we need to stop the enemies! They usually refuse to listen to logic and in their supreme arrogance seem to think they know all the answers and pour scorn on anyone who dissents from their views.






COWARDICE, n. A charge often levelled by all-American types against those who stand up for their beliefs by refusing to fight in wars they find unconscionable, and who willingly go to prison or into exile in order to avoid violating their own consciences. These 'cowards' are to be contrasted with red-blooded, 'patriotic' youths who literally bend over, grab their ankles, submit to the government, fight in wars they do not understand (or disapprove of), and blindly obey orders to maim and to kill simply because they are ordered to do so—all to the howling approval of the all-American mob. This type of behaviour is commonly termed 'courageous.'



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by FidelityMusic

How about you do some research and compare the number of innocent civilian casualties to opposition fighter casualties in the last 20 years.

Oh good grief.
Really?
And who should provide the stats? The UN? The US Military? Media Matters?
War sucks. I am sure that stats can be found to show either way.
Please, also include the use of suicide bombers, the use of the mentally handicap for said bombers and so on.
Please, also include all terrorist acts as well.




Originally posted by FidelityMusic
Then come with "Sure Sure Meh for you" b.s. comments.

Meh for you, still.



Originally posted by FidelityMusic
The fact that you gave a short reply and half of it was sarcasm shows that you are just talking out of your rear.

Yep, that's me. You know me personally, know my background and can prove all this.
Double Meh for you.


Originally posted by FidelityMusic
Sorry man, but you frankly don't know what you're saying when you say it, you were probably apart of the group cheering in the video.

Nope, AGAIN, I don't back Newt. He is a Progressive.



Originally posted by FidelityMusic
hope you're proud to have that icebox in your chest.

*Trying to talk, amongst the sobbing* Wow, you really know how to hurt a guy on the internet.
I really just want a hug and some nice Tea.



posted on Jan, 18 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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You have a very big misconception, I'd take that 90% down to about 50%. Half of the people in America are from other countries or are second, or third generation to someone born in another country and usually don't hold the b.s. views the other half hold, as shown in this video. This video featured the obvious Republicans, which in America mainly consists of the higher financial class and is majority Caucasian, who for the most part have American ancestry dating further back than the minorities of America, and hold those "let's go to war" views because that's what they and their ancestors political party (Republican Party) stressed and still stress til this very day.






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