The Communist Takeover of America- 45 Declared Goals

reply to post by korathin


The idea is to make one so much a fanatic about what other people do that they become willing to do violent acts in the name of such injustice.

It is called apathy.

When its all said and done, said fanatics will try to enforce their ways to save the planet or for some other fanatical cause.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

We are now living in Dictatorship of the proletariat.

Huh? I don't know what you smoke but it certainly seems like some strong stuff. I actually saw Puff Daddy on the street not a long time ago, I wish I had a chance to ask him whether he agrees to that Proletariat thing.

His bodyguard was pretty enormous... Now, back to the topic of bullcr@p OP...

reply to post by buddhasystem


Ok, tell me your objection and I will be happy too.

Otherwise I might be talking to myself.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Ok, tell me your objection and I will be happy too.

Otherwise I might be talking to myself.

My objection that I was born in the Soviet Union and had to study that sh!t more that your imagination can possibly conceive. It ain't not Wikipedia due. And speaking from the celestial spheres of pure communist knowledge, and living in the States, I'm telling you now that you are completely wrong... And full of it.

reply to post by buddhasystem


At this point you have not given me any objection, so there is no sense in arguing with you.

Or I could guess at any of the points you might be arguing against which would be a crap shoot. So I would be wrong.

Either you object to a specific point or you don't. I am not going to play 20 questions with you.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

At this point you have not given me any objection, so there is no sense in arguing with you.

Don't even try. You can't. Anyhow, that's what you quoted:

the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a socialist state in which the proletariat, or the working class, have control of political power.

So totally dude, in the US the proletariat (street sweepers, bagel shop workers, waitresses etc) control what's happening on the Capitol Hill. Right on!

Elvis was an alien. Baby Elvis found in Louisiana.

Read my sig. I did some research on it.

What people don't understand is Marxism is a call to revolution. It uses the promises of utopia to dupe idealists into supporting revolution. In reality the utopia is a lie, but by duping people into desiring it reaches its primary goal: to revolt. It is very Machiavellian.

reply to post by 547000


Hi there 547k,

didn't think that would happen, but I rather disagree with you regarding your thread.

I say that Russia and China are still communist despite the democratic veneer.

If you said "imperialistic" or "nationalistic", I would have agreed. But on the face value, what you are saying is wrong. I have the privilege or rather misfortune to have been born in the USSR and sampled a lot from its fruit. And I visited the country in the past 2 decades, and still have relatives there.

What you said about "communism" in nowadays Russia has no relation to reality whatsoever. Rather, it's a cut-throat, tough, robber baron sort of society which finally gelled under a virtual dictatorship which does resemble the USSR of yore, but in methods only (oppression and control of the media).

Take from a native, dude.

reply to post by buddhasystem


I don't understand though. Why are all the KGB goons in power still? Lenin duped the west before with his NEP policy. Stalin did the same thing. How do we know Putin and co are not doing the same thing? I did a lot of research on what soviet defectors said and wrote.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

I don't understand though. Why are all the KGB goons in power still?

Because power is power and it means a lot, and the rest is fungible. Instead of serving the Communist Party apparatus and its interests, these people are serving their own interests, which means select strata of big business in Russia. All of that has nothing to do with communism.

How do we know Putin and co are not doing the same thing? I did a lot of research on what soviet defectors said and wrote.

Again, you seem to be confusing communism with dictatorship. These are not the same.

Putin wants nothing with communism, in any shape or form. I'm following the events there and I know I got this one right. My knowledge of the language and the culture does help.

reply to post by buddhasystem

So totally dude, in the US the proletariat (street sweepers, bagel shop workers, waitresses etc) control what's happening on the Capitol Hill. Right on!

Not unless they are union.

Union contributions to the Democratic Party.
www.opensecrets.org...

But you still have not really given me an objection other than this, so I just assume you are stating that the working class has no influence over policy in America which is true, unless you are Union, then you still don't have any influence, but your Union dues do go to shape policy and you allow somebody else to speak for you and spend your dues passing whatever policies they may want to.

Originally posted by AzureSky
Yeah, we don't need any more isms.
We need freedom.
We need to reign in the elite class
We need equal opportunities all around, not just for people of stature (with money).

We need less power in corporate hands
And more power in the peoples hands.

No group of people should have all the power and money and control over the rest of the population.

Im not against making money, not at all. But who the hell needs to make more than a million a year? thats over 15x more than i make and i provide a legit service, not sitting in a chair signing a couple papers and playing golf.

Some of the top CEO's make over 10 million a year. And their employees make..what?

Kinda off topic, sorry.
Communism would only make the corporate machine even more profitable to the elite.

edit on 17/1/12 by AzureSky because: (no reason given)

It's all relative. I mean just who are you to have more than 5 rolls of toilet paper a month? Especially when most of the 99 % only have 1 roll a month. I mean shouldn't you be more sustainable than that? We all should learn to live on 5 rolls or less...Sorry don't mean to be rude but picking an arbitrary amount of anything is ridiculous.

reply to post by buddhasystem

Putin wants nothing with communism, in any shape or form.

How do you know? You are trusting the word of a former KGB. Makes me wonder about you. You could be KGB.
Please don't try and convince me that the old communist system of Stalin wasn't really communism, it was something else like a fascist dictatorship or something like that. It just wouldn't be true. Communism is the abolition of private property, and individual liberties. It sacrifices individual freedom for that of the collective. It's so simple, dictatorship or not, most people refuse to voluntarily submit to such a system because they inherently know that it goes against the natural self-preservation. There is nothing noble about communism in any of it's forms. I see that you have a spiritual theme to your avatar and it's easy for people in Buddhism or even a Christian monastery to feel that they can sacrifice consumerism and just take out their begging bowl, but who wants to beg for a living?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Putin wants nothing with communism, in any shape or form.

How do you know? You are trusting the word of a former KGB. Makes me wonder about you. You could be KGB.

Yeah well, since this is a conspiracy site, it wouldn't be authentic without its quotient of paranoia.

As to how do I know -- I know a hundred times more about Russia than you do. What happened to the privatized sector of the economy is remarkable, and there has been a concerted effort to make it irreversible. Public health services are on the way to extinction. Social mobility is all but non-existent. Somehow, this is not compatible with anything communist, at least for a person who has the eyes and a modicum of brain. Your mileage may vary.

Please don't try and convince me that the old communist system of Stalin wasn't really communism,

What did I say about Stalin? You seem to be thinking in pre-conceived notions and try to preempt on something I wasn't even going to say. Pathetic.

Communism is the abolition of private property, and individual liberties.

Well seems Putin is the opposite of that, because he's openly bashed in the media outside of his direct control (and yes, there are plenty of outlets, such as gazeta.ru), and he's firmly for private property.

I see that you have a spiritual theme to your avatar and it's easy for people in Buddhism

Again, you went on a tangent that was not even warranted in the discussion. What on Earth does my avatar have to do with communism, huh? Try to learn reading comprehension and some basic logic.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


About your so called four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Lenin goal was to implement marxist leninist in soviet union not globaly unlike Stalin.
Hitler was ruling under fascism, not communism.

Now i\'m gonna ask, you do you know what fascism is?
Because me think you need to study a bit more.

reply to post by eagleeye2


NAZI was national Socialism.

The Lenin Stalin thing, I guess either one would work. I struggled with that.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by eagleeye2

 

NAZI was national Socialism.

Nazis were one of many nationalist and fascist political parties contending for the leadership of Germany's anti-communist movement. The Nazis claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict, its aggression against the middle class, its hostility to small businessmen, and its atheism

Wiki

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Those 45 goals sound like some paranoid ultra-conservative McCarthy-era Christian's laments against progress.

In other words, completely laughable.

reply to post by SG-17


Progress?

You are completely laughable.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by domasio

 

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Vladimir Lenin- 20 million dead
Adolph Hitler- 20 million dead
Mao Zedong- 20-35 million dead

Fourth horseman has not yet come to pass.

edit on 17-1-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)

Adolph Hitler was a right wing fascist. You know that right? That is when corporations dictate policy and the politicians are puppets to the corporate machine. Just so you realize Hitler hated communism and would have supported and been part of the right wing as it exists in these United States.