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Russia to Test if U.S. Radar Downed Phobos Probe

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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It's not like the Soyuz ships are being sabotaged, which is the portion of the Russian space program the U.S. needs to function.



-- August 24, 2011: The Progress M-12M freight vehicle carrying tonnes of cargo for the International Space Station (ISS) crashes into Siberia shortly after launch.


www.spacedaily.com...

There has been a whole string of Russian failures lately. The head of their space program is just trying to pass the buck. Here's what is really going on:

www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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The Russians will be lenient with the US if it actually interfered.


You need to be strong to be lenient.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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so you mean Russia might decide to use a few ASAT directed energy weapons like how they use to do in the 70's and 80's
and how they used to it knock out SATs and blow up the shuttle.


Thats great.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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So what would you like ? chemical? biological? nuclear?It will be served first in a matter of time.

Russia is being too lenient.Time to teach the psychopathic americans a lesson.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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The Russians will be lenient with the US if it actually interfered.


You need to be strong to be lenient.


Explain it to the Russians, you can save what's left of the manned US program with your powerful pep talk:

"hey guys, retaliation is for the weak, take our pounding until you're fully done and prove you're real men, OK?"
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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Is it simply a matter of their sloppiness or sabotage? Or is it something quite a bit more complex?

The Russians now and during the time of the USSR have had a bad time lofting rockets and probes to Mars and Venus. But those efforts have been decidedly one-sided. Starting in 1960 through 1984 they have launched about 27 shots toward Venus. Eleven were successful and 4 were partially successful. The balance, a little less than half, were failures of one kind or another. Not a very good record, and it only got worse when their efforts turned toward Mars.

Mars was an entirely different story. At 21 attempts to the red planet all their have failed.for the most part with 3 of that number listed as partially successful with no real data returned. So there is reason for everyone to wonder about these lop-sided failures. As I mentioned in a post to an earlier thread on this topic, scientist in JPL used to joke about a "Mars Monster" that reached out and plucked down the Russian/Soviet efforts. Did we use dirty tricks on the hammer and sickle equipment or did their qualiity control efforts simply get abysmal?

The US has never been all that interested in investigating Venus. We have sent only 7 probes there. All were successful except Mariner 1 in 1962. Once we learned from our and the Red's efforts that Venus was unfit for intelligent life, a hellish place, we focused exclusively on Mars. The Russians/Soviets were evidently gambling on Venus as harboring life, but they lost that race too.

Our first serious effort to actually check for life on Mars was the Viking missions in the mid-1970s. The two Vikings each contained "search for life" experiments in the landers and orbiters that imaged the planet and Phobos. Poorly understood positive indications of life from the landers were dismissed by NASA but are still hotly debated even more so as we are gradually told about water and others signs or organic materials.

The orbiters found that Phobos had its "void" problem and that the mysterious surface grooves were really unexplainable unless intelligent manipulation was involved. It is noteworthy that NASA has never discussed that aspect even in an off-hand way, which should have been the case for good Science--unless they had something to hide, and they did. (Phobos' grooves are clear evidence that it was moved into place around Mars.)

If you want a pivotal point where we knew that Mars once, if not still, harbored intelligent life, then it started with the Viking missions--and those investigations continue. And as I've said, that was what started the censorship (Malin) of what we would naturally assume was normal scientific data. After all, life on Mars, past or present, would give strong circumstantial evidence for UFOs seen on Earth. And many of us know very well how that situation has been taboo with Science and government.

(Numbers given here for successes and failures of missions may be off a bit from "official statistics variously found on the internet.")

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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so you mean Russia might decide to use a few ASAT directed energy weapons like how they use to do in the 70's and 80's and how they used to it knock out SATs and blow up the shuttle.


No, the Russians did not shoot down the shuttle, but it raises a good point: when Americans fail, they hold an open investigation and admit responsibility for their mistakes. Some countries just yell "sabotage!"



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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when Americans fail, they hold an open investigation and admit responsibility for their mistakes. Some countries just yell "sabotage!"


And the ultimate example of that noble attitude is the 9-11 commission, isn't it?



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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From what I have read radio interference by russian installations brought down the shuttle.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Russia has already set the date for the results of the enquiry to be made public: January 26.

This sounds like an ultimatum to the US with a set date for unknown conditions (WW3 or "color revolution" related) to be met.

On January 30 (4 days given to the US to rethink) the outcome will be reported to vice PM Rogozin.

It seems that if the US refuses to meet Russian demands the investigation will provide/fabricate evidence and a response will follow. Otherwise an excuse will be made public by Russia and all is well.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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From what I have read radio interference by russian installations brought down the shuttle.


In both accidents, the cause was clearly mechanical failure. In one a defective "O-Ring" blew out, allowing hot gas to ignite the fuel tank, in the other, a defective piece of tile fell off, causing the heat of re-entry to compromise the air-frame. The missions were proceeding normally right up until the moment those parts failed. It wasn't due to interference.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by ltinycdancerg
This story confuses me...

why would we sabotage their efforts when we've halted our own space endeavors?

I don't know much about this particular scenario- can someone give me a sound explanation as to why we'd do this?

If in fact our radars affected the probe, I'm inclined to think it was accidental.
Or that the Russians are just trying to blame others for what is really their shoddy handiwork?



For one NASA halted their space endeavors, not the US in general. You seem to forget that the military efforts in space far outweigh all that which NASA has accomplished since the last landing on the moon. It also answers why they would sabotage their missions as space superiority is of upmost importance to the US in todays world.

"shoddy handiwork"?! Wrong, as I said before, their capabilities and knowledge is not to be underestimated, especially if so much money is involved.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Maybe they have justification to test their theories...maybe they want to send a probe to Mars to see if there is life...maybe they believe there is and its being kept hidden, and maybe, just maybe the US deliberately downed the craft...

Just a thought...



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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And the ultimate example of that noble attitude is the 9-11 commission, isn't it?


And the ultimate example of the other would be Stalin's infamous show trials.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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And the ultimate example of that noble attitude is the 9-11 commission, isn't it?


And the ultimate example of the other would be Stalin's infamous show trials.


You need to go as backwards as Stalin in order to bash Russia, but the stench of the 9-11 commission still lingers in the air.

What was the name of the US judge that linked Iran to 9-11 a couple of weeks ago in a kangaroo process?

Edit: it was George B. Daniels: U.S. District Court Rules Iran Behind 9/11 Attacks

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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I'm sorry I brought up the 9/11 commission in the first place. Oh, wait.... Let me drag this back on topic, then. If the Russians find that a radar signal isn't responsible for causing the probe to malfunction, what would that mean?
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