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Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by Maslo
Well it goes on to conclude that sodium fluoride intake may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk. Yet that's the problem with most official "fluoride studies" isn't it? All the results are compartmentalized and they'll say "not enough risk here", "not enough risk there", but it's separated into neat little packages. When they say "tap levels are safe" for instance, they don't take into account the fact that everything produced and sold for consumption in America is manufactured with the same tap supplies we drink.
Therefore, it's fairly obvious you exceed "safe dosage" because it's in your bread, it's in your juice, it's in your medicine... anything that is produced with the same tap water, will have sodium fluoride in it. Then you whip fluoridated toothpaste in your mouth to top it all off, a rather extreme amount of intake on the 'broad spectrum', in my humble opinion.
Even this study fails to take this into account, and they only apply the test to the mentioned drugs.edit on 17-1-2012 by SyphonX because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
The purpose of this study was to assess fluoride uptake of vascular calcification in various major arteries, including coronary arteries.
Significant correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification was observed in most of the arterial walls, except in those of the abdominal aorta. Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries was demonstrated in 28 (46%) patients and coronary calcifications were observed in 34 (56%) patients. There was significant correlation between history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.
CONCLUSION: sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk.
Taken from the study itself.
edit on 17-1-2012 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)edit on 17-1-2012 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
reply to post by kokoro
I read the study and replied to your post before you edited it. Did you not see my post? All the quotes are taken directly from the study itself.
Fluorosilicic acid is mainly produced as a byproduct of the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers where phosphate rock, containing fluorides and silica or silicates, is treated with sulfuric acid. The gases released, hydrogen fluoride and silicon tetrafluoride, are sprayed with water in condensing towers or drawn into a series of scrubbers and dissolved in water, forming an aqueous solution of fluorosilicic acid (CSDS, 2001; Farm Chem. Handbook, 2001; NICNAS, 2001). This is the crude form of fluorosilicic acid; the purified form is obtained by distillation of the crude acid or by reacting pure silica with hydrofluoric acid. The compound can also be made by the reaction of sulfuric acid on barium hexafluorosilicate (HSDB, 2000a). Furthermore, fluorosilicic acid is manufactured by the reaction of apatite and/or fluorite (fluorspar) with sulfuric acid (LCI, Ltd., 2000a). Its production from phosphoric acid producers supplements fluorspar as a domestic source of fluorine (Miller, 1995, 1999)
of fluorosilicic acid as a byproduct. Of this amount, 45% was used in water fluoridation, directly or as the sodium salt, while 34% went toward the production of aluminum trifluoride and 20% went toward other uses (Miller, 1995). In 1999, ten plants again reported on the production of fluorosilicic acid as a byproduct from phosphate rock processing; 69,200 metric tons (153 million pounds) was produced, and 69,100 metric tons (152 million pounds) was sold or used. This was an almost 3% increase in output from the previous year. The amount used for water fluoridation was 34, 900 metric tons (51%), while 19,000 metric tons (27%) was used for aluminum trifluoride production, and 15,300 metric tons (22%) was used for other uses such as Toxicological Summary for Sodium Hexafluorosilicate [16893-85-9] and Fluorosilicic Acid [16961-83-4] 10/01 6 sodium hexafluorosilicate production (Miller, 1999). The latest figures are definitely an increase compared to the 1975 and 1976 U.S. production of the acid at 30,000 metric tons (66 million pounds) from phosphoric acid manufacturing. No import data were found (HSDB, 2000a).
The manufacture of phosphate fertilizer in Central Florida releases not only fluorides as a toxic pollutant but also radionuclides. Radium wastes come from the filtration systems. Uranium and its decay-rate products are found in the phosphate rock and fertilizer as well as the byproduct fluorosilicic acid. During the wet-process procedure, trace amounts of both radium and uranium are captured in the scrubbers and therefore are in the fluorosilicic acid. During the acidulation process yielding phosphoric acid, radon gas in the phosphate pebbles can be released and carried into the fluorosilicic acid, while polonium can be captured during the scrubbing process and then can combine with fluoride (Glasser, undated).
In other words, industrial waste (sodium fluoride) is 85 times more toxic than natural calcium fluoride. Both of them contain fluoride, but they are totally different compounds.
Sodium [18F]fluoride was injected intravenously at a dose of 10±2 mCi (370±74 MBq). Participants were comfortably seated in a private, quiet, cozy room.
Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
It appears here that participants had fluoride injected directly into their blood stream. That's a little more intense than what anybody might be consuming in their products. There are a lot of sources talking about the negative effects of fluoride but they don't take into account that there are different kinds of fluoride that require different levels of intake in different parts of the body to be harmful. It's easy to want to believe something but you have to meet it with skepticism and check official sources and look at it from another angle.
reply to post by SethGecko
Not to discredit you, but there are many toxic chemicals you could ingest daily such as to much salt, to much sugar and to many carbohydrates.. but because they are not in high toxicity it doesn't actually effect your body in a bad way, much like the % of fluorinated water. Is it bad for you? Yes in certain doses, can it be beneficial yes, in certain doses. Hell why don't you guys parade around saying alcohol is drank everyday and is highly toxic and bad for your health and body. Much the same with cigarettes. (they do have warning labels on these both substances) But in certain studies alcohol is actually GOOD for you provided you're responsible and have small doses. Much like fluorinated water, can you show me a study conducted on basic tap water that proves how bad it is to the general populus? Not just how bad the chemical is, in general?
This is just absolutely disgusting! The only excuse they have putting it in there is that it helps prevent teeth decay... what kind if BS is that. If I wanted to keep my teeth clean with the help of flouride I would use some god damn toothpaste and a toothbrush! I drink a lot of damn water from my taps, and I don't wish to consume all that flouride, but I have no choice! I recently moved houses and the old house had tank water, it tasted so damn good, so fresh and untainted. Now my new house runs off town water, and let me tell you, it tastes like absolute chemical crap. I don't even feel safe consuming the amount of water I typically consume on a normal day. I can already feel myself getting dumber.
Groundbreaking new research has linked sodium fluoride to cardiovascular disease, the leading cause of death worldwide. Researchers found that fluoride consumption directly stimulates the hardening of your arteries, a condition known as atherosclerosis that is highly correlated with the #1 killer. Sodium fluoride is currently added to the water supply of many cities worldwide, despite extreme opposition from health professionals and previous studies linking it to decreased IQ and infertility.
well then you're wrong.
reply to post by SyphonX
Pre-2000 my dental hygiene wasn't very good. I brushed daily, but that was about it.
The dentist patched me up, told me to use a Sonicare toothbrush, and rinse daily with ACT fluoride rinse.
The toothbrush has been good, but I really give all the credit to the fluoride rinse.
congrats. you ever seen the footage of the tribal people with killer bright white teeth? they brush theirs with clumps of grass.
No cavities in 10 years.
your just a frog unaware its being boiled alive...
Bottom line - I have been drinking flouridated tap water and using a fluoride rinse for 35 years, and I have yet to see, or feel and negative things from it.
small doses aren't good either 'guy'
Yes, in HUGE doses fluoride is poisonous,
but like the poster before said, so are alcohol and nicotine.
The benefits for dental health have been proven over the last 50 years. The negative effects you and your ilk speak of are unsubstantiated by any peer reviewed studies over the same period of time.
Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
Well I can contest to the ill affects of fluoride as I have given up all fluoride for the last year
that is not naturally occurring,.
Since I have done so,.
I have more energy
I sleep better
I havnt been sick in a year, used to get colds often
sore throats dont happen anylonger.
My memory is better
My thinking is more precise
and my latest dental check up had my dentist asking me why my gums look
much healthier since the last visit, and my teeth are still hard.
Flouride IS useless unnecessary and a poision.