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Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Yes i see what you mean, the soil depletion might be an issue there... since boron takes time to build up from the stellar radiation on the soil. However since i live in Sweden, where we only have 0.2 ppm flouride in the water, i might be fine with the nuts and raisins i would think. Had i been living in the U.S i would certanily stock up on those capsules, and get a reverse osmosis filter as well.

I think everyone reading this thread if living in the U.S should mail their congressman to have flouride removen from their water supply asap, that would save everyone some money not having to buy these things..




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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I'll give you all another big hint on fluoride.

One of the detractors attacked a Fluoride expert for the association of HIV.


People that study the HIV problems notice one thing, those that catch the virus have issues with manganese depletion. Fluoride acts with manganese about the same fasion as it does with boron. High fluoride efflients in the body deplete various essential trace metals.

Manganese is part of the synthesis process for Superoxide Dimutase, Mn-SOD, and this is a key factor in keeping the cellular immunity working free of oxidation damage that causes the cellular apoptosis enzymes to mutate and stop working.

Between this association and the high rates of HIV transmissions in Ethiopia and Rift Zone affected countries, there is an excellent bet that HIV has a lot to do with fluoride in the environment.

This association appears why they attacked Peter Duesberg over his studies in HIV and AIDS. Then along the same lines, the Lenoard Horowitz theme on emerging viruses isn't that there are more potent viruses, but that the environmental damage to the human immune resistance is the prime factor for seeing the rise of these new viruses.

Then when one looks for the earliest detected case of HIV, it traces to the Congo region where these other viruses are out of control. The Congo region has extremely bad mining pollution.


edit on 21-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Congo



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


Yes i see what you mean, the soil depletion might be an issue there... since boron takes time to build up from the stellar radiation on the soil. However since i live in Sweden, where we only have 0.2 ppm flouride in the water, i might be fine with the nuts and raisins i would think. Had i been living in the U.S i would certanily stock up on those capsules, and get a reverse osmosis filter as well.

I think everyone reading this thread if living in the U.S should mail their congressman to have flouride removen from their water supply asap, that would save everyone some money not having to buy these things..


I can see the nuts and fruit idea would work much better in Sweden, as they are much more protective of health from the water and food chain due to fluoride loading.

Good to know where you are on planet Earth. Helps me to understand your thoughts better.

There are much different standards between the US and the Europeans on fluoride toxic effects.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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A family member who is a (PhD) Chemist and who has tested thousands of water samples over the course of his 20-year career, told me this:

Most (not all, but most) public drinking water, especially if it comes from AMS, "American Water Supply", has added fluoride. So, the water bill/statement for NY residents would say "NY American Water Supply" and for Florida it would say "FL American Water Supply", and so on ... just so we are clear on that. But, the water supply/source doesn't have to be from AMS in order to have fluoride in it.

Fluoride is a by-product of nuclear waste/fertilizer production and is extremely poisonous. While the fluoride levels in tap water may not immediately make you feel ill or kill you right away, ingesting it on a regular basis will, over time, negatively impact your health, particularly your brain. It's also known to cause mottling in teeth and weakening of bones, gradually, over a period of time (but, not too worry "Big Pharma' will be more than happy to sell you over-priced drugs to "reverse" or "treat" this problem --- sarcasm)

He also said, "Studies show that ingesting fluoride, even over a short period of time, has a numbing affect on the brain, making a person complacent"

- Water Distillation removes 99.9% of fluoride from drinking water.
- Reverse Osmosis removes 90-95%.
- No filter removes 0%.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Kratos1220
Just because everyone only refers to the Pineal Gland as "the third eye", it's function is to produce the hormone melatonin which regulates sleep patterns and can protect against neurodegeneration as well as regulating other hormones.

The studies are out there relating to the effects of fluoride, several of which are in this thread. If people want to believe that fluoride really does protect against tooth decay, why does the National Institute for Dental Research say it doesn't? Are they quacks too?

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If we ignore the fact that:



Fluoride exists naturally in water sources and is derived from fluorine, the thirteenth most common element in the Earth's crust. It is well known that fluoride helps prevent and even reverse the early stages of tooth decay.


If you eliminate that last line, because that excites people, and just concentrate on the first line then it is is safe to say their water already had fluoride in it and could very well be at higher levels (naturally) than the places where it is added or just monitored. If water already has an acceptable amount since it occurs NATURALLY in water than it would not be added.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Malcher

If we ignore the fact that:



Fluoride exists naturally in water sources and is derived from fluorine, the thirteenth most common element in the Earth's crust. It is well known that fluoride helps prevent and even reverse the early stages of tooth decay.


If you eliminate that last line, because that excites people, and just concentrate on the first line then it is is safe to say their water already had fluoride in it and could very well be at higher levels (naturally) than the places where it is added or just monitored. If water already has an acceptable amount since it occurs NATURALLY in water than it would not be added.


There is a huge difference between Calcium Fluoride and Sodium Fluoride, is there not? I object to the stuff being added to water. Calcium Fluoride seems to be much less toxic, but I still do not see the point in dumping more of it in the water supply that came in the form of toxic waste from the production of aluminum. It should not be added, period. The body has no requirement for fluoride as far as I am aware, but I'm pretty sure there is a huge difference between naturally occuring calcium fluoride and the waste product Sodium Fluoride. I don't want it in the water I drink. I'll take my chances with the naturally occuring fluoride.

I will also take my chances and believe the National Institute for Dental Research in that SF does nothing to prevent tooth decay. It's something I have experienced myself with my own teeth. I have far fewer tooth problems since abstaining from fluoride in toothpaste and the such as well as no more tooth sensitivity. Very marked difference.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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I am not a medical professional, so anything i post here was found from links i read. I never placed myself in the position of telling people what is safe or not safe, when i post links or quotes they are from searches. Pretty much what we all are doing though. Basically getting both sides of an issue.

health.nytimes.com...



Natural sodium fluoride is in the ocean, so most seafood contains fluoride. Tea and gelatin also contain fluoride.


Beyond that i cannot answer your question.


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Your consuming/being exposed to, far worse things than the minuscule amounts of fluoride you drink and brush your teeth with everyday.

Get over it!

The government is not trying to poison you.

fluoride is beneficial to the health of your teeth, period!

in the 18th century everyone used to brush there teeth with Soot.

go back to that if you really want to...... have black teeth..... lol

the government also Defluorides the water too in case you did not know, when theres too much as natural unprocessed water can contain naturally occurring varying amounts of fluoride.

if you want teeth like a cave man or a pre 19th century pesen't then don't drink water or go near toothpaste or any contact with any amount of fluoride.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jana12
A family member who is a (PhD) Chemist and who has tested thousands of water samples over the course of his 20-year career, told me this:

Most (not all, but most) public drinking water, especially if it comes from AMS, "American Water Supply", has added fluoride. So, the water bill/statement for NY residents would say "NY American Water Supply" and for Florida it would say "FL American Water Supply", and so on ... just so we are clear on that. But, the water supply/source doesn't have to be from AMS in order to have fluoride in it.

Fluoride is a by-product of nuclear waste/fertilizer production and is extremely poisonous. While the fluoride levels in tap water may not immediately make you feel ill or kill you right away, ingesting it on a regular basis will, over time, negatively impact your health, particularly your brain. It's also known to cause mottling in teeth and weakening of bones, gradually, over a period of time (but, not too worry "Big Pharma' will be more than happy to sell you over-priced drugs to "reverse" or "treat" this problem --- sarcasm)

He also said, "Studies show that ingesting fluoride, even over a short period of time, has a numbing affect on the brain, making a person complacent"

- Water Distillation removes 99.9% of fluoride from drinking water.
- Reverse Osmosis removes 90-95%.
- No filter removes 0%.



Right on the money!'

Stopping fluoridation will even save money on the water bill, as well as all the health care costs as one ages drinking poison water.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by TrentReznor
Your consuming/being exposed to, far worse things than the minuscule amounts of fluoride you drink and brush your teeth with everyday.

Get over it!

The government is not trying to poison you.

fluoride is beneficial to the health of your teeth, period!

in the 18th century everyone used to brush there teeth with Soot.

go back to that if you really want to...... have black teeth..... lol

the government also Defluorides the water too in case you did not know, when theres too much as natural unprocessed water can contain naturally occurring varying amounts of fluoride.

if you want teeth like a cave man or a pre 19th century pesen't then don't drink water or go near toothpaste or any contact with any amount of fluoride.



Guess you forget all those people in India that have perfect teeth, don't eat sugar, and don't have cavities.

And they don't have fluoride poison water to do that.

If you want to poison yourself with poison water fine, make your own or use sodium fluoride salt, but don't let your insanity on poison water put the poisons in my house, on by body during showers, or inside my system internally due to your crazy agenda. imho

Everyone needs the right to reject fluoride water coming to their homes, especially the kidney disease people that this does great harm to, the little babies that are not supposed to have any fluoride, and the old that are up to their neck in the toxic effects of fluoride on the colligen of their bodies and other areas.

Reject any attempts on mass water poisoning.
edit on 21-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Water Poisoners don't have any rights to poison your household



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Now also, adding to the post above: sodium monofluorophosphate and sodium fluoride

answers.yahoo.com...

Now this is interesting:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Malcher
Now also, adding to the post above: sodium monofluorophosphate and sodium fluoride

answers.yahoo.com...

Now this is interesting:

en.wikipedia.org...


IG Farben and Monsanto (GMO Foods) strikes again.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Are you saying that sodium monofluorophosphate and sodium fluoride are not the same compound?

Now this is Fascinating:

www.usermeds.com...
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Now this is fascinating:

www.usermeds.com...

Mods: I added the link to the above post. Sorry for the double post. Delete this post, thank you.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Malcher
Are you saying that sodium monofluorophosphate and sodium fluoride are not the same compound?

Now this is Fascinating:

www.usermeds.com...
edit on 21-1-2012 by Malcher because: (no reason given)



One is chemically: Na2FPO3

The other is: NaF

Do they look the same to you? One captures the fluorine atom a little tighter and is a little less reactive.


edit on 21-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Poison Water Forumula



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Malcher
Are you saying that sodium monofluorophosphate and sodium fluoride are not the same compound?

Now this is Fascinating:

www.usermeds.com...
edit on 21-1-2012 by Malcher because: (no reason given)



One is chemically: Na2FPO3

The other is: NaF

Do they look the same to you? One capatures the fluorine atom a little tighter.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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I find it amusing that to some people, not even a study done by the National Institute of Dental Research is acknowledged as evidence against fluoride having any kind of beneficial effect on teeth. Wasn't it the pro-fluoride crowd who were accusing the anti crowd of not acknowledging evidence earlier in this thread? Pot and kettle, I think.

During the many years I used fluoride toothpaste, mouthwash and had regular fluoride treatments at the dentist, I had loads of cavities, needed three root canals and lost two teeth both in the front unfortunately. One snapped in half three days after a root canal was done on it while chewing food which I now have a crown over and the one next to it developed some rare condition where it began decaying above the gumline. My dentist told me once that starts, you can't stop it and sure enough, I lost that tooth completely. I got an implant to replace that one. Luckily, I'd had the good fortune of having some very good dentists work on those things because you can't even tell anything was done and they are the two teeth (don't know their names, one is an incisor I believe.. the pointy one) to the left of my front teeth. Luckily, I don't have significant fluorosis. I have a bit of very faint yellowing, but I probably only notice it because as they say "you are your own worst critic."

I also had developed severe tooth sensitivity to hot and cold, but cold was much worse. At some point, I stumbled upon a brand of toothpaste called "Epic" which uses Xylitol instead of fluoride. Unlike fluoride, there's tons of evidence that Xylitol, without a shadow of a doubt stops caries from forming and on top of that, Xylitol is considered healthy once in the body and has some health benefits even.

Within two weeks of changing toothpastes and discontinuing the use of mouthwash, my tooth sensitivity, which had been rooted for years was suddenly gone and has stayed gone. It's such a relief to be able to have a cold glass of orange juice or some ice cream and not be wincing in pain with every gulp. I have had only two small cavities over the last five years which is a significant improvement and I didn't even need a novacaine injection to get them taken care of, they were that minor. My dentist says overall, my teeth are much healthier now than they ever were. He still gives me fluoride toothpaste, but I don't use it though he probably thinks I do. So, my experiences with fluoride tell me less is better for teeth and that Xylitol is far superior at making teeth stronger and resistant to cavities than fluoride ever was and ever will be.

I had read somewhere that fluoride was only capable of sustaining one bond. If I am remembering that correctly, it would make sense why it would weaken teeth. Fluoride would break the chain since it can only bond once and over time, weaken tooth structures and that is probably what happens to bones as well.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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iodine



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by ace1059
iodine


Yes, good point. Fluoride is an iodine antagonist.

America is depleted of iodine usually, unless there is a seafood diet. Iodized Salt has some, but it is junked up with aluminum. So, eat some kept or other iodine rich foods.


www.fluoridealert.org...


When Iodine is low, the fluoride damages the thyroid process and connects to problems like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Also, the AlFx compounds interfere with TSH---thyroid stimulation hormone.


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Just scanned the thread, so I hope I am not posting something already discussed to death, but one of the few ways I know of getting rid of fluoride and many other elements, heavy metals, and ions, is reverse osmosis. I try to drink only "RO" water, not only for the fluoride issue, but Chloramine (not Chlorine, also a concern), and other dissolved solids and elements.

Chloramines are a derivative of ammonia, adjusting the number of hydrogen atoms in the molecule with Chlorine and Nitrogen. Chloramine is a much more complex molecule than diatomic Chlorine molecules under standard conditions, called dichlorine.

Too much crap is put in our water, stop putting stuff we don't need in our water, like everything they put in it.



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