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Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Actally seawater is much higher in Fluoride than NORMALLY found fresh water. Dang learned something today.




posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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In Malcher's defense, RO/distilled water is much more likely to absorb toxins from the natural environment through the process of equilibration. And it does become more acidic since it absorbs much more carbon from the atmosphere.

Now deionized water, that is a different story. Red blood cells burst when exposed to DI water.
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by dtrock78
In Malcher's defense, RO/distilled water is much more likely to absorb toxins from the natural environment through the process of equilibration. And it does become more acidic since it absorbs much more carbon from the atmosphere.

Now deionized water, that is a different story. Red blood cells burst when exposed to DI water.
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Lots of people have distillers and use them everyday. I don't know a person with a distiller that stores the water for more than a day or two.

Most just toss in a cal-mag-zinc tablet and let it dissolve in the water to add back some minerals. But the diet really sets the mineral additions to health.

Since we are into the big issues of minerals, I've started adding back boron to the water. Which does one big thing. It combines with fluoride in the body and gets it out.

It works wonders on those using it, mainly because it takes fluoride out of the body.


But, it appears the pro-fluoride disinformation gang doesn't want the public mind to grasp this huge bit of knowledge.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Malcher
Actally seawater is much higher in Fluoride than NORMALLY found fresh water. Dang learned something today.


I see the super fluoride person still can't spell----might be the aluminum in salt you forgot to tell everyone to avoid. And how aluminum and fluoride work so well on the brain together.

Sea Water runs about 1 ppm fluoride.

Mother Nature does tell one things, as in the Fluoride History one finds animals don't do well with fluoride water.

Also, it appears that Salmon don't either, because they have to run into fresh water to lay the eggs and let the new fish develop in fluoride free or low fluoride water. Just like human's don't do well with any fluoride when they are infants, neither do salmon.

Mother Nature speaks to the dangers of Fluoride again and again. There is almost zero in mother's milk.


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by dtrock78
@ Magnus Opum

Your opinion that surface water, by and large, is better/safer than well water is pretty preposterous. As an environmental scientist with minors in toxicology/biology, I'm not really sure where to begin.

Rivers are the dumping grounds (and have been since we settled this country) for basically everything. Be it sewage, industrial waste, acid rain runoff, air pollutants, etc - everything ends up in a river. The reason early settlers (and modern civil engineers) use rivers for drinking sources are simple - it's already on the surface. It costs much more to drill, maintain, and service a production/irrigation well. And up until relatively recently in our history, we didnt have the means to drill one in the first place other than 30-40 feet bgs. And don't even get me started on PPCP contaminants (Pharmaceuticals & personal care products). The freshwater river systems in this country are loaded with them - everything from synthetic hormones (birth control pills), synthetic psychotics (anxiety medications), etc that are contained within the medication people take (the average person is on THREE presribed drugs) do not breakdown and are NOT removed via traditional treatment plant processes. The EPA is in the middle of a landmark study concerning these contaminants and the prelim evidence is pretty shocking so far. They've found that levels of even one part per trillion (1 ppt ) can cause birth defects and impaired cognitive development in aquatic life. Everytime someone urinates and flushes it down the toilet, everytime someone dumps their old meds down the drain, these synthetic compounds become part of surficial drinking water supply.

Now...well water - talk about a natural Brita filter - soil lithology and bedrock are the best filtration units you can have. It takes YEARS for water to slowly filter into an underground reservoir/water bearing fracture before it gets to the source. This removes many, many biological hazards and industrial chemicals. Yes, in some areas of the country, natural background concentrations of arsenic and other trace metals are high, but these areas are well known and the filtration/treatment systems are built accordingly. Sulfur content is harmless, other than the taste, which people gradually get used to.

I have well water, my neighbor has well water, everyone in my town has well water. We are not healthier or "less lethargic" than the township next to me that has public supplied water.

If you REALLY want to get up in arms over an actual health effect that is a ticking timebomb in the scientific community, start rallying around PPCPs. These will be the "asbestos" of the 21st century. And the scary thing is, there's very little that can be done about them.



Try running a big city, like Atlanta, on well water. Atlanta uses a huge lake North of the City and it works good enough.

It appears you just said well water with no fluoride is good. It depends on the area. In certain geologic areas, wells are bad news from the standpoint of radon, fluoride, arsenic.

So, did you have yours tested and what were the contaminates and the mineral presence?



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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What to Pro-fluoride water poisoners don't want you to know about mother nature's cure for fluoride:

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www.naturalnews.com...

It damages the liver and kidneys, weakens the immune system, possibly leading to cancer, creates symptoms that mimic fibromyalgia, and performs as a Trojan Horse to carry aluminum across the blood brain barrier. The latter is recognized as a source of the notorious "dumbing down" with lower IQ's and Alzheimer's effects of fluoride.

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Avoiding Fluoride Contamination

As always, the first step in detoxifying is to curb taking in toxins. Purifying water by reverse osmosis or distillation in fluoridated water communities is a good start to slowing down your fluoride contamination. Distillation comes with a bit of controversy, as all the minerals are removed. A great mineral supplement such as Fulvic Acid (not folic acid) or unsulfured blackstrap molasses is recommended if you distill your water.

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Boron was studied in other parts of the world with pronounced success for fluoride detoxification. Borox, which contains boron, has a history of anecdotal success for detoxifying sodium fluoride. Yes, this is the borox you can find in the laundry aisles of some supermarkets. It needs to be taken in with pure water in small quantities.

As little as 1/32 of a teaspoon to 1/4 of a teaspoon in one liter of water consumed in small quantities throughout the day is what has been demonstrated as safe and effective. Around 1/8 of a teaspoon with a pinch of pure sea salt in a liter consumed in small quantities daily has been reported to have dramatic results. There is the possibility of a food grade version with sodium borate, if you can find it.

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www.regenerativenutrition.com...

Therapeutic Dosage

To treat arthritis and other deficiency symptoms that may be linked to other health conditions, Dr. Rex Newman recommends 10 mgs. Some populations have as much as 30 mg a day in their diet will only good effects, in most western countries the soils are grossly deficient.

We include Boron within our Capra Mineral Whey, Each 16 grams of whey contains Vitamin D3 450 I.U. Boron amino acid chelate, elemental weight of Boron 10mgs.


1 Diesendorf M. The Health Hazards of Fluoridation ; A Re-examination. Intern. Clinical Nutrition Review. 10-2.1990.p304-321

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The Wonder of Boron

By John Claydon D.Hom with extracts from 'Beating Arthritis & Beating Osteoporosis’ by Dr. Rex E Newman Phd.

We supply Boron in two formulas:

Colloidal Minerals & Trace Elements with Boron and Vitamin D, this product aids calcium metabolism and gives an anti arthritic mineral source.

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Relationship of Daily Boron consumption and incidence arthritis

Studies have shown a very clear link between Boron and the incidence of arthritis

Country Boron Consumption Arthritis Incidence
Jamaica Less than 1mg per day 70% of the population
USA, UK, Australia, NZ, South Africa 1 to 2mgs 20% of the population
Israel 10mgs 0.7% of the population

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Note: Borax works and is extremely inexpensive, but it doesn't taste too good. To get a 5 mg dose of Boron from Borax, one has to take about 50 mg of Borax. This is used in little 3rd world areas, and it really can't be taken away from anyone in the world due to availability.

It is much easier to take one of the 10 mg Boron supplents in little pills that are becoming available in lots of health food stores, as the word gets around. Lots of the Senior Vitamins are putting in Boron now. So, join the club and free your minds for higher thinking and improve health.

One of mother nature's cures for the problems of fluoride in the environment is Boron.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Since fluorides have become a huge problem in society, one can't avoid them all. So, perhaps the best tip one can learn to battle against fluoride is to use Boron techniques. They also help bone thinning by removing fluoride from the bone mass.

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www.lef.org...

Research Overview

A review of animal and human research on boron yielded the following information which points to a much more comprehensive view of boron.

Deficiency in boron has been shown to contribute to:
1. Abnormal embryo development
2. Decreased sperm count
3. Ovarian deterioration
4. Damage in reproductive function
5. Decrease in electrical activity in the brain
6. Sub optimal mineral metabolism
7. Poor manual dexterity
8. Impaired hand-eye coordination

Boron supplementation was found to:
1. Increase steroid hormone levels (testosterone) and therefore may be of interest to athletes
2. Increase bone growth and strength
3. Augment estrogen function and therefore may help prevent atherosclerosis
4. Improve brain function and cognitive functioning
5. Reduce HDL cholesterol
6. Affect thyroid hormone levels
7. Alleviate harmful effects of vitamin D, magnesium, and potassium deficiency in postmenopausal bone loss
8. Play a role in the prevention of osteoporosis
9. Be of benefit in the treatment of arthritis
10. Prevents calcium loss in postmenopausal women

Some information about Boron:
1. Dried prunes are a good source of boron
2. The bones of humans using boron supplement are harder to cut
3. Research indicates that areas of the world with highest intake of dietary boron have the lowest incidence of arthritis
4. Boron increased life span in animal studies
5. Boron works synergistically with calcium and magnesium
6. Boron balances vitamin D3 deficiency
7. Boron contributes to growth cartilage maturation

Boron Citations (38)

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www.nutros.net...

Signs of Boron deficiency
Deficiency of Boron has been linked to:

Kidney stones
Osteoporosis
Decreased mental alertness
Potential uses for Boron
Research indicates that Boron may also be useful in the treatment of:

Osteoporosis
Arthritis
Calcium loss
Broken bones
Bacterial infections
Mouth ulcers
Eye infections

DISCUSSION

More about Boron
Boron is a trace mineral found in plant sources — while an essential mineral for plant growth, it is under debate whether or not it's essential for humans. It is, however, vital for the metabolism of calcium, copper, magnesium, phosphorus, and Vitamin D and may be important for the optimal health of bones and joints.

Shown to reduce the loss of calcium in post-menopausal women, boron may combat arthritis and osteoporosis. Some research has also revealed it may reduce the pain and swelling associated with these conditions.

For all boron does, what may be most interesting, especially if you have been watching the field of performance nutrition develop, is that it does not have any ability to increase testosterone levels nor muscle mass in men. Those were the beliefs about a decade ago, when boron was all the rage among bodybuilders who thought it would replace anabolic steroids. Fortunately, this hope for natural alternatives has driven science to uncover effective supplements, like creatine and HMB.

Strong bones and joints
As you might notice while watching an NFL game, athletes can place unbelievable stresses on their joints and bones. Boron may help athletes maintain optimal joint and bone health — "help" being the key word here. Of more interest may be its importance in helping broken bones heal faster (most likely faster than they would in a slightly boron-deficient person).

Increased testosterone?
While some reports have indicated boron may increase testosterone levels, this has only been shown in postmenopausal women. It does not have the same effect in healthy male athletes. Nonetheless, boron's effects on hormonal balance in post-menopausal women were shown to enhance the positive effects of estrogen. Conclusion: Great for post-menopausal women. Try something else if you are a man looking for muscle mass.

Boost brain power?
Experts have recently suggested that boron may help enhance brain functioning and mental alertness. Unfortunately, again, details are not yet known as to why boron may be beneficial for mental functioning.


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More reports on Boron:

www.ithyroid.com...

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Boron is God and Mother Nature's gift to correct for fluoride assaults on the body.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
I see the super fluoride person still can't spell----might be the aluminum in salt you forgot to tell everyone to avoid. And how aluminum and fluoride work so well on the brain together.

Also, it appears that Samon don't either, because they have to run into fresh water to lay the eggs and let the new fish develop in fluoride free or low fluoride water. Just like human's don't do well with any fluoride when they are infants, neither do samon.


Oh, the irony.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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NeoVan's new item has gone viral, not only on the ATS Forum from the huge number of Flags and Stars, but on all the alternative media folks pages also:

www.greenmedinfo.com...

New research reveals a startling new finding: fluoride is likely contributing to the epidemic of cardiovascular disease by stimulating calcification of the vascular system, including the coronary arteries.


What is novel about this new study is that it indicates how cardiovascular calcification may be occurring. Beyond the excessive consumption of inorganic calcium, fluoride may be an essential factor in mediating calcium's contribution to enhanced cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Fluoride exposure is now ubiquitous, thanks to the fluoridation of public drinking water, medications like Prozac (fluoxetine), non-stick cookware, to name but a few common routes of exposure.

Fluoride-induced calcification is not a new finding. Back in 2001, autopsies on cadavers revealed that fluoride accumulation in the pineal gland is associated with enhanced calcification of that endocrine organ.

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Note: This is not an endorsement for this product. As I'd not recommend bone meal, which tends to be very high in fluoride content.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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So where does this lead us all down the road in twenty years or so? Is there any information out there that leads us to believe that anything plans to be done about this? This is a monumental find. I would hate for it to go by the wayside.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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If you've ever seen Flouride in action in a chemistry lab you'd never ingest it. It's great for toothpaste, provided you rinse thoroughly after you brush, but drinking it? srsly?

Glad I'm on my own well. No Fl for me.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by SweetSomnia
So where does this lead us all down the road in twenty years or so? Is there any information out there that leads us to believe that anything plans to be done about this? This is a monumental find. I would hate for it to go by the wayside.


This is a good start in exposing the fluoride problems, and one can certainly help pick up the momentum by telling others the associations. Look at what happened with citizens uprising against PIPA and SOPA, and use that as an example that speaks to the power of the Internet in getting a huge collective buy-in and a unified voice that speaks to the legislators.

Make the information viral and each person tell the public what has been allowed to happen to their health from bogus science and sinister foreign interests not intent on American's Freedoms.


edit on 20-1-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Voice of Solidarity can be Strong



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Malcher
Actally seawater is much higher in Fluoride than NORMALLY found fresh water. Dang learned something today.


You shouldn't be drinking seawater either lol



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Of course, How else can they control us if we get too smart? They do things to dumb us down every chance they get. And of course now its easy, because now we're all just a bunch of babbling idiots.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Malcher
Actally seawater is much higher in Fluoride than NORMALLY found fresh water. Dang learned something today.


You shouldn't be drinking seawater either lol


What is interesting is that is the very reason Reverse Osmosis was invented. Not for stripping the minerals out of fresh water. Which were put there by Mother earth who also put the fluouride in de water from little baby rocks so her creatures would have strong teeth. Wild animals drink mineral water, think what you would do to the wild animals if you stripped their water.


Invented some time in the 1950's for....desalinating sea water. lol
Which incidentally was created with government funding.


Reverse Osmosis (RO) was developed in the late 1950's under U.S. Government funding, as a method of desalinating sea water


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by tangonine
If you've ever seen Flouride in action in a chemistry lab you'd never ingest it. It's great for toothpaste, provided you rinse thoroughly after you brush, but drinking it? srsly?

Glad I'm on my own well. No Fl for me.


Well water may contain more fluoride than surface water. When your water is sent to the lab get a printout.
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
NeoVan's new item has gone viral, not only on the ATS Forum from the huge number of Flags and Stars, but on all the alternative media folks pages also:

www.greenmedinfo.com...

New research reveals a startling new finding: fluoride is likely contributing to the epidemic of cardiovascular disease by stimulating calcification of the vascular system, including the coronary arteries.


What is novel about this new study is that it indicates how cardiovascular calcification may be occurring. Beyond the excessive consumption of inorganic calcium, fluoride may be an essential factor in mediating calcium's contribution to enhanced cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Fluoride exposure is now ubiquitous, thanks to the fluoridation of public drinking water, medications like Prozac (fluoxetine), non-stick cookware, to name but a few common routes of exposure.

Fluoride-induced calcification is not a new finding. Back in 2001, autopsies on cadavers revealed that fluoride accumulation in the pineal gland is associated with enhanced calcification of that endocrine organ.

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Note: This is not an endorsement for this product. As I'd not recommend bone meal, which tends to be very high in fluoride content.



I debunked this pages ago. You need to go here and read the entire article as it was published in the scientific journal instead of taking some bloggers interpretation of it.

It is a study on fluoride usage as a diagnostic tool with PET scans to DIAGNOSE cardiovascular disease. The fluoride is injected in order to light up the calcifications that are already present so that they can more easily be seen on the PET scan. That is what is meant by an association between the uptake of the fluoride and the cacifications, that is what you WANT it to do so that you can image them and see exactly where blockage problem may arise and need intervention through stenting/ bypass ect. Once you read the study in its entirety that will become clear.


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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neovain,

I think the problem Malcher ( malcher correct me if I am wrong) and others are having here is that you are posting links to other blogs as evidence. These are not what we would call " primary sources" . I looked at the links and the bloggers have cherry picked quotes from articles and as often is the case those quotes do not represent the end all be all of the article. They also do not link the articles for us to read to check accuracy ect. so I think you see the problem with that. Even in academic circles you must present your evidence to be reviewed in order for your theory to be accepted.

I think we would all be much more receptive to you and the ideas/theories presented here if you would do a little leg work and support your theory with some peer reviewed journal articles. And by that I mean we need to see the actual research article in the flesh as they say. We are more than willing to be open minded about this, but you have to give us what we need to make and educated decision. Fair?



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by kokoro

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
NeoVan's new item has gone viral, not only on the ATS Forum from the huge number of Flags and Stars, but on all the alternative media folks pages also:

www.greenmedinfo.com...

New research reveals a startling new finding: fluoride is likely contributing to the epidemic of cardiovascular disease by stimulating calcification of the vascular system, including the coronary arteries.


What is novel about this new study is that it indicates how cardiovascular calcification may be occurring. Beyond the excessive consumption of inorganic calcium, fluoride may be an essential factor in mediating calcium's contribution to enhanced cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Fluoride exposure is now ubiquitous, thanks to the fluoridation of public drinking water, medications like Prozac (fluoxetine), non-stick cookware, to name but a few common routes of exposure.

Fluoride-induced calcification is not a new finding. Back in 2001, autopsies on cadavers revealed that fluoride accumulation in the pineal gland is associated with enhanced calcification of that endocrine organ.

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Note: This is not an endorsement for this product. As I'd not recommend bone meal, which tends to be very high in fluoride content.



I debunked this pages ago. You need to go here and read the entire article as it was published in the scientific journal instead of taking some bloggers interpretation of it.

It is a study on fluoride usage as a diagnostic tool with PET scans to DIAGNOSE cardiovascular disease. The fluoride is injected in order to light up the calcifications that are already present so that they can more easily be seen on the PET scan. That is what is meant by an association between the uptake of the fluoride and the cacifications, that is what you WANT it to do so that you can image them and see exactly where blockage problem may arise and need intervention through stenting/ bypass ect. Once you read the study in its entirety that will become clear.


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Anyone that leds off with the term debunk isn't a scientist, nor professional, and is always a political pundit, usually one up to no good with a political spin to toss out. No scientist of any respect uses the word debunk, and it is part of the methods and languages of those that seek to sell disinformation and derail the public's vision of the truth.

I've read the whole report when it came out. I well know the uses of F-18 tracer isotopes with PET scanners, and a real scientist finds it highly important that F-18 lands in these areas of high calcium concentration, that require stints to put a band-aide on the problem.

Real scientists and persons of science recognize that fluoride likes the calcium in arterial walls and this trips the additional accumulation of calcium deposits and then more fluoride and the deposit grows.


Your little diatribe on these F-18 tracer studies is plain garbage science opinion. imho


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus




Anyone that leds off with the term debunk isn't a scientists and is always a political pundit, usually one up to no good with a political spin to toss out. No scientist of any respect using the word debunk, and it part of the methods and languages of those that seek to sell disinformation and derail the public's vision of the truth.

I well know the uses of F-18 tracer isotopes with PET scanners, and a real scientist finds it highly important that F-18 lands in these areas of his calcium concentrations that require stints to put a band-aide on the problem.

Real scientists and persons of science recognize that fluoride likes the calcium in arterial walls and this trips the additional accumulation of calcium deposits and then more fluoride and the deposit grows.


Your little diatribe on these F-18 tracer studies is plain garbage science opinion. imho



Strawman... Ive never said anything even remotely political, and your attempt to paint me as some kind of disinfo agent just comes off as desperate, its a diversion tactic to cover the fact that you don't have a leg to stand on or any real rational response grounded in fact. Its is a perfect example of this, which is an ad hominem attack, and not a particularly effective or respected debate technique.

Yes the fluoride tracer does bond to the calcium, that is what it is supposed to do. The study does not in any way link fluoride usage to a build up of calcium. The tracer is degraded by the body and leaves via the kidneys. It is radioactive so if it remained you would be able to see it on subsequent scans. This is not the case
The only context that fluoride is mentioned in the article is its use as a diagnostic tool. Never is it mentioned as a contributing factor.

I challenge you to quote the article where is indicates that fluoride stimulates additional calcium build up.
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