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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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" Enriched Uranium? Underground bunkers?? Close the Strait of Hormuz??? "


Have the Straits been Closed ? Do the Iranians even have the Ability to do so without being Stopped Immediately by the U.S. Navy Patroling there on a Daily Basis ? Posessing Enriched Uranium does not Definitely mean a Bomb has already been Created and Intended to be Deployed in a Aggresive Fashion, it could have other uses . How many Countries around the World have Underground Bunkers used for Weapons Production , Hundreds ?
Do you Completely Believe what Information is given out by U.S. and Israeli Intelligent Agencies as Unmitigated Fact ? Face it Seabag , there is alot of " Smoke " being Blown around here right now concerning a Emminant Iranian Threat to the rest of the World , just admit it ......




posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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As for all the tit for tat, back and forth... the deal is done. Keep a close eye on the seasonal weather patterns
as this will be an important variable from stepping up, to an all out military offence, in which I think is a real
possibilty within the next three to ten weeks, - or +.... Ref: Gulf Wars 1 and 2. dates.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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The Book of Revelation being Self Realized here ? I am sure many People might Interpret the Tensions in the Middle East right now in that light , are they Wrong ? If so, Why IYO ?



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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If Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons, that's not for the American people and (corrupt) government to decide. That's up to their people and government. We have thousands of nukes, but they can't have one because they talk about how they hate America? We're the only nation that's used a nuke, and we killed 120,000 people in the blink of an eye. Actions speak louder than words.

What makes America so great that we are entitled to not only possess nuclear weapons, but dictate which countries can and cannot do so themselves? Is it the endless wars we fight? The criminals who don't get held accountable for everything from fraud to murder? The government that shows blatant disregard for the Constitution which its sole purpose is to obey? The politicians who are just puppets for big banks and corporate interests? The morons who get propaganda pumped into their mushy brains and cheerlead every war towards a country that the mainstream media says is a threat?

Let them have a nuke. Let them have a thousand nukes for all I care. What are they going to do, nuke America? Their country would literally be flattened faster than you can say "war mongering propaganda" if a single nuclear weapon was headed our way.

We were told that Iraq had nuclear weapons, and we needed to start a war to protect ourselves. That turned out to be a lie. Now we're being told that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, and we need to start a war to protect ourselves. What makes you think it's true this time? We were told last time that the evidence was undeniable, but how did that work out? The lie isn't even that they have nukes this time, it's that they are trying to develop them.

If the American people fall for the same stunt over again, then there's little hope for the future of this country if people can't even see through this obvious war propaganda. But we have politicians getting applause when they talk about bombing Iran and going to war because they're a threat.

How are they a threat? How many Iranians have bombed your city lately? How many Iranian battleships are patrolling the Gulf of Mexico? What sanctions have been put on America by Iran? We're the ones putting sanctions on them, one consequence being the restriction of the import/export of oil, but just the other day on a Ron Paul interview I saw Megyn Kelly talking about how Iran blocking the Straight of Hormuz would raise oil prices, and that that's unacceptable and said that we need to do something about it.

So when we restrict the flow of oil for their country, it's fine and dandy, but when they do it to us, let's go to war!!! "My gas costs too much, let's go kill some people!" Do you people realize the sheer insanity that a sizeable chunk of the American people display when it comes to war? They grasp at invisible, non-existant straws. That's how pathetic things have gotten. Not only are they the biggest hypocrites imaginable, but they're completely bloodthirsty, and filled with the necessity to flex their muscles and illustrate their dominance and superiority to any country that so much as wipes their asses incorrectly.

War with Iran would be as retarded as the child that would be created from mixing the war mongerer Rick Santorum's DNA with that of war mongerer Rick Perry. And yes, if you support a war with Iran, you're a war monger. At least own up to it, and be proud that you support killing people because the mainstream media and phony politicians tell you they're bad people.
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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Great Post , and well said . American Imperialism is in No Way Condoned within the Principles of the Constitution . That is unless the Constitution is to be somehow Ignored out of a Selfish Desire to Impose in Iran's case, a Corporate Political Will on another Sovereign Nation through the use of Force based on a Unsubstanciated Threat .



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by seabag
 


If Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons, that's not for the American people and (corrupt) government to decide. That's up to their people and government. We have thousands of nukes, but they can't have one because they talk about how they hate America? We're the only nation that's used a nuke, and we killed 120,000 people in the blink of an eye. Actions speak louder than words.

What makes America so great that we are entitled to not only possess nuclear weapons, but dictate which countries can and cannot do so themselves? Is it the endless wars we fight? The criminals who don't get held accountable for everything from fraud to murder? The government that shows blatant disregard for the Constitution which its sole purpose is to obey? The politicians who are just puppets for big banks and corporate interests? The morons who get propaganda pumped into their mushy brains and cheerlead every war towards a country that the mainstream media says is a threat?

Let them have a nuke. Let them have a thousand nukes for all I care. What are they going to do, nuke America? Their country would literally be flattened faster than you can say "war mongering propaganda" if a single nuclear weapon was headed our way.

We were told that Iraq had nuclear weapons, and we needed to start a war to protect ourselves. That turned out to be a lie. Now we're being told that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, and we need to start a war to protect ourselves. What makes you think it's true this time? We were told last time that the evidence was undeniable, but how did that work out? The lie isn't even that they have nukes this time, it's that they are trying to develop them.

If the American people fall for the same stunt over again, then there's little hope for the future of this country if people can't even see through this obvious war propaganda. But we have politicians getting applause when they talk about bombing Iran and going to war because they're a threat.

How are they a threat? How many Iranians have bombed your city lately? How many Iranian battleships are patrolling the Gulf of Mexico? What sanctions have been put on America by Iran? We're the ones putting sanctions on them, one consequence being the restriction of the import/export of oil, but just the other day on a Ron Paul interview I saw Megyn Kelly talking about how Iran blocking the Straight of Hormuz would raise oil prices, and that that's unacceptable and said that we need to do something about it.

So when we restrict the flow of oil for their country, it's fine and dandy, but when they do it to us, let's go to war!!! "My gas costs too much, let's go kill some people!" Do you people realize the sheer insanity that a sizeable chunk of the American people display when it comes to war? They grasp at invisible, non-existant straws. That's how pathetic things have gotten. Not only are they the biggest hypocrites imaginable, but they're completely bloodthirsty, and filled with the necessity to flex their muscles and illustrate their dominance and superiority to any country that so much as wipes their asses incorrectly.

War with Iran would be as retarded as the child that would be created from mixing the war mongerer Rick Santorum's DNA with that of war mongerer Rick Perry. And yes, if you support a war with Iran, you're a war monger. At least own up to it, and be proud that you support killing people because the mainstream media and phony politicians tell you they're bad people.
edit on 16-1-2012 by TupacShakur because: (no reason given)



I regret that I have but only one star to give.....That post.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by TupacShakur
 


Great Post , and well said . American Imperialism is in No Way Condoned within the Principles of the Constitution . That is unless the Constitution is to be somehow Ignored out of a Selfish Desire to Impose in Iran's case, a Corporate Political Will on another Sovereign Nation through the use of Force based on a Unsubstanciated Threat .


Then what type of imperialism would you prefer?
Chinese?
Islamic?

Because if America stepped away, don't think for an instant that another country/ideology wouldn't immediately step in to fill their shoes.

To actually think that we could live as peaceful nations without a guard-dog is naive at best.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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and in the long run jobs jobs jobs for the war engine once again, this time a long drawn out bloody fight, not the sudden US Mil might to over run a country, but a slug it out yard by yard Iran wants US there on the ground to pound the snot out of ,we have done this to our selves our smugness, the "we are the ones to hold the magic bottle not you" [Nuke power], so we either go in now, when they do not have one [a working Nuke] or we wait till they do, [all they need is one] to set off the massive powder keg, WW3 would be an all out nuke war, no winners but all losers, but one... China.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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To actually think that we could live as peaceful nations without a guard-dog is naive at best.


Guard dogs protect their territory by remaining within that territory, not by running all over the world yapping at any perceived threat they imagine.

The federal government cannot even protect its own borders, like any guard dog would be expected to do, but naively people seem to think this federal government can "police" the world.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Far be it for me, to run around with a pointy stick and beating my chest... just a personal observation
with a couple of statistics and if lucky a pin point of knowledge... Hope I'm wrong, but .... Peace..Out!
In which I mean in a positive way




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by TupacShakur
 


Great Post , and well said . American Imperialism is in No Way Condoned within the Principles of the Constitution . That is unless the Constitution is to be somehow Ignored out of a Selfish Desire to Impose in Iran's case, a Corporate Political Will on another Sovereign Nation through the use of Force based on a Unsubstanciated Threat .


Then what type of imperialism would you prefer?
Chinese?
Islamic?

Because if America stepped away, don't think for an instant that another country/ideology wouldn't immediately step in to fill their .

To actually think that we could live as peaceful nations without a guard-dog is naive at best.


What you say makes perfect sense, if only those doing the guarding weren't psychopathic nut balls bent on world domination and or destruction which ever comes first. Then of course the question becomes who's psychopathic nut ball do I prefer running the arena, theirs or mine?

There is no winning here, only poisonous exchange of the usual.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by WozaMeathed
What i get from this thread is................................
Kill kill die die to all those other than america and israel that want to posses nuclear capabilities, lets kill them before they kill us ect ect.

What a crock of s**t this thread is, and its filled with many hypocrites.
This isnt just a warmongering thread its also a fearmongering thread.
You poor scared paranoid americans. How do you sleep at night when there are so many boogiemen in the world that are out to get you.


Come at me bro!

/flex


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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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To actually think that we could live as peaceful nations without a guard-dog is naive at best.


Guard dogs protect their territory by remaining within that territory, not by running all over the world yapping at any perceived threat they imagine.

The federal government cannot even protect its own borders, like any guard dog would be expected to do, but naively people seem to think this federal government can "police" the world.




I don't feel as though that the federal government can police the world.

I think that the federal government has to police the world.

Is our (american) form of government good? Compared to . . . . . . ?
Is what we do correct? Dunno. I'll be the first here to admit that I'm not smart enough to answer that.

Spreading our form of "imperialism" is a far cry better than the spread of islam, or chinese "imperialism", in my humble opinion though.

Because one way or another, SOMEONES form of "imperialism" is going to spread.

Our choices are which one.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Great Post , and well said . American Imperialism is in No Way Condoned within the Principles of the Constitution . That is unless the Constitution is to be somehow Ignored out of a Selfish Desire to Impose in Iran's case, a Corporate Political Will on another Sovereign Nation through the use of Force based on a Unsubstanciated Threat .


Then what type of imperialism would you prefer?
Chinese?
Islamic?

Id prefer none. As even American Imperialism based on Christianity has proved to be nothing but violent and murderous.


Because if America stepped away, don't think for an instant that another country/ideology wouldn't immediately step in to fill their shoes.


Well step away for an instant and we can see if your right.
But we will never know if you keep sticking your nose in to where it doesnt belong.


To actually think that we could live as peaceful nations without a guard-dog is naive at best.

So now you are a guard dog. Well from what i know of guard dogs they are aggressive and have S**T for brains.
So yeah that sounds like your american government



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by snowen20

What you say makes perfect sense, if only those doing the guarding weren't psychopathic nut balls bent on world domination and or destruction which ever comes first. Then of course the question becomes who's psychopathic nut ball do I prefer running the arena, theirs or mine?

There is no winning here, only poisonous exchange of the usual.


There is no winner. Exactly. Because we (and everyone else) see's America as oppresive. Unless you compare it to other nations ideology.

But we're still left with a choice between (subjectively) bad or worse.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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lol the whole premise of this is thread is to trigger that fear mechanism into agreeing with pre-emptive actions/war based off of our countries apparent ability to predict the future...US/Israel predict the use of nuclear weapons by Iran...so really this should be in the predictions thread.

OMG!!!

They said this they said that, they are mean people they stone people over there still!! as if our police officers aren't doing equally if not more severe things to people who commit crimes over here...


OMG they look mean and rugged and teach their kids how to be suicide bombers in CARTOONS as if our kids aren't inundated with call of duty, battlefield, gears of war up the A$$...


I mean with all the aggression and countries that Iran has tried to invade in the past 20 years there is absolutely NO doubt they won't use the first nuke they get on US/Israel...
I mean they obviously demonstrated their ability to use not one but two nukes on a civilian population...oh wait no that was us...


With all the counties Iran is surrounding of the US and Israel I can totally see how it would SEEM as if they are "coming for us" just last week I heard reports they are in Canada and Mexico...etc...


Or is it US that are surrounding THEM??? yup...
Or is it US that has show ALL of the aggression and conquest in the last 20 years?? yup...
Or is it US that are lying bold faced to our own people to influence the electoral process...yup
Or is it US that is the rogue "regime"...yup
Or is it US about to jail/incarcerate people who speak out and challenge the "regime"...yup
Or is it US that is putting sanctions on THEM??...yup

Honestly, I can see how one would think Iran is after a nuke...with all the above they are wanting that "don't invade us next" card that Iraq, and Afghanistan didn't have...

It makes entirely MORE sense that they want a nuke for defensive purposes than offensive purposes, they would destroy their whole nation the second they launched 1 nuke...no nuke obtaining country is this bat S*** crazy. Tis why there hasn't been a nuclear war yet, or a nuclear weapon used since WE USED TWO of them...

I'm sorry I don't agree with the paranoia and fear-mongering campaign toward a country that hasn't demonstrated even 1/100th the destruction of the country that is attempting to paint them in a paranoid, fear based manner...

I don't agree with pre-emptive war, pre-emtive arrest because I don't believe people can predict the future well enough to justify such an asinine concept as such...

This thread is crap and the only one with balls ins't me replying but the OP for posting...

one last
for good measure and I'm out


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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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I think that the federal government has to police the world.


Because We the People have done such a pathetic job of policing the federal government, your advocacy of a U.S. world police is a profane curse on the world.

Let's clean up our own back yard before getting so sanctimonious about what others are doing in the world.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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If America steps away, as many here want, then there may not be another option after that.

No game reset, no do-over. No; "I've changed my mind".

Sadly, you may get your wish. So don't dispair. America, with our current crop of politicians may grant you that wish.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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So , I take it you are then a Supporter of the U.S. continuing to be the " Policeman Of the World " ? That Responsibilty does Not come Cheap , case in Point , our Present National Debt . Billions leading to Trillions of Dollars to Constantly Project that Military Power around the World to Keep the Peace Down a Barrel of a Gun ? How Long do you think that can be substained without eventually Bleeding America Completely Dry Finacially ? What's wrong with Other Nations taking on the Responsibility of Policing Themselves Instead by Contributing in any way we can in Helping them Create Stable Goverments that care more about the Creation of Wealth than the Destruction caused by Military Conflicts ? You tell me Sir !
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Because We the People have done such a pathetic job of policing the federal government, your advocacy of a U.S. world police is a profane curse on the world.


Perhaps. You have an alternative though?


Let's clean up our own back yard before getting so sanctimonious about what others are doing in the world.

It's not sanctimonious. Just being realistic and not idealistic.




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