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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
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Given the language, and intent of the Second Amendment, it is perfectly clear that all People are protected in The United States from any government interference in their right to keep and bear arms. This would include, given the vast nuclear arsenal the federal government of the United States has stockpiled, the right of every individual to keep and bear nuclear weapons.



Source???


Dear Lord! Have you no idea how to Google the Second Amendment? For Christ's sakes how loony will this all get?


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


~Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights of the Constitution for the United States of America~

There's your source, Bub. Of course, if you cannot be bothered to look that up yourself, it is doubtful you will bother to read it now.



I think that in the light of overpopulation and the presence of a tumorous cancer on this planet called mankind, I believe it to be very morally just to exactly follow the second amendment and allow US citizens to own nuclear weapons. I haven't heard a more splendid idea coming from your ... how to put it.. - digital mouth -.

Distribution starts in Texas!
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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None of this changes the fact that it was indeed the United States of America who first developed nuclear weapons and the only nation to use these weapons of mass destruction during time of war. This is OUR responsibility seabag. Banging the war drums over Iran does nothing to accept that awesome responsibility. Angry and fearful rhetoric about perceived threats against the nation of the United States does not change the fact that the U.S. is responsible for bringing the threat of nuclear holocaust into this world. This is OUR responsibility!


I’m not banging war drums, Sir. I just don’t want them to have nuclear weapons. They are under absolutely no threat of invasion by Israel, America, England or any other country for that matter. As I’ve stated, I don’t want military intervention in Iran unless all other options have failed.

As far as your WWII reference, America was attacked from an outside country and we used a small yield (by today’s standards) nuclear device on Japan. Since then, the US has done more for Japan than any country on the planet and has never used that capability again on any country. Japan is a strong ally of US and they are a prosperous, sovereign country. Why? Because they stopped their aggression towards America.

If Iran uses a nuclear weapon, it will be much more devastating (better technology) than what US used on Japan, and I assure you Iran will not pick us up and dust us off afterwards.


You know you are pretty wrong. They are very much under threat of invasion, nuclear weapon or not. The oil industry wants back what they deem theirs. After Afghanistan and Iraq I believe Iran would be crazy to not want a nuclear weapon. They are surrounded by psychopaths and maniacs hungry for their national treasures.

Our leaders are creating such a mess in the world and eventually we will pay for it. It's not Iran that has be to stopped in my opinion.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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I see, since the yield the U.S. used in nuclear weaponry was in your estimation small enough to make their current arsenal quite okay, and the U.S.'s charitable attitude towards Japan makes it even more okay. Interesting.







funny enough, i watched a documentry today about the bomb
america dropped in japan. All those innocent lives gone, just like
that. It was horrible seeing children who had basically turned to
dust in a matter if seconds. And then you had the people who lived,
with their skin hanging off and burns all over the body. And then you
have the radiation sickness.

I also watched a documentry about the korean war, and america
thought about using the bomb in the chinese.

Its a disgusting, evil weapon!


Um, all wars are horrible. The invasion of Japan would have beed incredable costly to both sides. Estimates say that it could have cost the U.S. a million lives. Sometimes there is no good or right answer. The U.S. is not going to be the next nation to use the bomb.I feel 99% sure of that.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
We were hearing end of the world scenarios about Iraq and WMDs and how if we didn't get Saddam we would find out with a mushroom cloud.

Mobile chemical weapons labs that turned out to be ice cream trucks?
How many lies did the Bush administration and the MSM tell the American public to sell them on the idea of attacking Iraq?


Using the fallacies that led this nation into war in Iraq as justification for inaction on Iran was a monumental mistake.

There is no point in aggression now with Iran, the costs and potential losses outweigh the benefits in security.

Too little too late.... Let them make the war, let them provoke and threaten until ultimately they do something really bad... and then let the world scream out in unity for action.


The Iranian regime already believe that the "great Satan" is afraid of them as a result of our foreign policy.. They will continue to aid, fund and supply terrorists, and prepare for the mother of all wars... Eventually they will likely do something bad enough that would have even you begging for war.

All of this talk and warmongering now, is a waste of time. It's pointless to argue one way or the other now.

Enjoy the peace while it lasts.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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The death to america thing is just them saying they want our regime to end, they dont want to kill everyday citizens, do a little investigation man come on. If you want war with innocent people, I consider you a much worse human being then any of those iranians chanting death to america. Sad, sad times we live in.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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Look you dont get more anti western than our dear great leader , or mad dog gaddafi , and both had nuclear weapons with delivery capabilities.
Not even considering hirring a terrror cell to carry out a homeland attack on US soil, which they could have easily done.


If they didnt attempt to blow up the US for their Evil empire building and crimes against humanity , then
for sure the Iranians wont try it !

They only want the nuclear weapon as a deterrant against an invading empire , directed soley at stealing other nations wealth and resources in a geopolitical land grab.

The iranians dont want total anihilation and they know for sure that it would happen if they started off with their first punch a low yield nuke over a us city or on israel !

No one wants total anihilation , the world already went through that with the cold war , which still persists today just slightly colder !

The reason Iran wants this is simply to stop the US from interfering with their country now and in the future, it protects them from invasion , it wont stop the sanctions but at least keeps the peace for a short while , until they get soft.
Like what happened to gaddafi , he disarmed then he was invaded and killed, so Iran will obviously learn from that mistake.

If Iran was any more of a threat than North Korea , why arent the US invading the DPRK , since they are logistically closer to the US than Iran and can deliver a nuke upon its shores.
Well take a look at the DPRK's natural resources , not really that much in ways of natural wealth.
Take a look at Iran , wow , loads of oil , reason to invade is obvious.

the US isnt gonna invade to save the people from human rights violations otherwise they would have invaded the DPRK ages ago , so its not that either
it's just more empire building for americas future profit !

If the american populace were smart enough they would get rid of obama and follow the Doctor and his foreign policy , that way the heat would come off , hey dont worry you still have the CIA meddling in everyones affairs , you still have state sponsored terrorism to fight your corrupt empires hidden battles

you dont need an army or invading force, you pay people to do it for you using subterfuge and terror !

this isnt in any way an attack on you just the statement about the US and Iran



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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I'm REALLY glad you made this thread, and I sincerely appreciate what you're saying.

I personally am really torn on the Iran having Nukes issue....

On the one hand,
I am SOOOO sick of these bogus, endless, unconstitutional wars we keep starting.
And our policing of the world.
And us thinking we're somehow ABOVE THE INTERNATIONAL LAWS-
..."who will police the police?!?!"....
I'm tired of us sticking our red white and blue nose where it doesn't belong,
and I'm tired of the cahoots we've been in with Israel.

But, on the other hand,
I don't want ANYONE...be it,
Iran,
US,
Israel,
Russia,
any of the KOREAS or the -STANS,
Indians or indians (native americans for the P.C. freaks out there),
Chinese, Japanese,Taiwanese, Burmese or Portuguese*** (PLEASE SEE VIDEO BELOW)
Santa Claus & his army of elves;
Swiss cheese, chocolates, or Alps;
baby-stealing-dingos-from the Outback;
and/or any character from Narnia or Imaginationland...

dropping a Nuke on ANYONE or ANYTHING!!!

***

lmaorotfl'ing everywhere...
c'mon y'all, that's funny



If anyone were to do so, it's AUTOMATIC national suicide.
So where's the incentive?!
I just don't see it happening- not from Iran at least.

Now, from Israel...
well, that's a different story.

And if they do,
they better not be treated any differently than any other nation.
INCLUDING US- The United States.

Tired of this childish egotistical *ahem* size *ahem* contest between boys.
Though, for the record-
size DOES matter,
but you CANNOT make up for it by bombing everyone else.
That just makes you even LESS attractive!

Accept what God gave you and learn to work it!

This whole pissing contest thing is, and always has been,
seriously
pathetic.


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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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You may be right.

Super powers can hold their fingers near the trigger.

Regional powers like India, Pakistan,North Korea, Israel,and Iran I can see using Nuclear bombs.

Although,ANY country uses the bomb,I am 99% sure the rest of the world would retaliate,and swiftly.

Really,there was no need for North Korea to have the bomb.

There is no reason for Iran to have it either.


We have enough to destroy the world many times over.

Its the teenagers putting a sock in the lower regions,making themselves out to be bigger then what they are.

But like teenagers,quick to make mistakes.

One of them will,regardless of America "policing" the world.

Then you will hear the cries,HELP US.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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The problem is, "removing threats" usually involves a lot of innocent people and American soldiers getting killed in the process.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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Iran apparently already has nuclear weapons.
Russia has nuclear weapons.
China has nuclear weapons.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
North Korea has nuclear weapons.

An attack on Iran is a guaranteed nuclear world war. This is not exaggeration, that will be the outcome. A nuclear war on a global scale will destroy the planet and kill almost all of us.

People need to start using their brain. I know it's difficult for some people, but at least try.

Israel has said they don't need help dealing with Iran. There's no need to kill everyone on the planet in a nuclear holocaust because a few masonic oligarchs and their brainwashed nationalist minions lust for death and war.

"But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Iran has over 25000 jews living peacefully , not being killed.

Keyword you forgot to put into that statement belongs at the end. That word is yet

So that statement should read as: Iran has over 25000 jews living peacefully, not being killed...yet.

Yet, . Yet.
You seem right at home in a Warmonger thread.

You can't find any legitimate reason to attack this country, Iran.

That you want to attack them for crimes they HAVEN'T committed YET. .YET.


What makes you think i want to attack them? I'm not a warmonger. I've never killed anyone in my entire life and i do not support the killing of people. However I am not a fool that is going to stick his . in the sand and pretend this is not happening.

So youre justification is they haven't commited these war crimes yet. Ask yourself, if you could go back in time and kill Adolf Hitler while he was still in his crib to avert WWII, would you do it? If you say no, that makes you a mass murderer, if you say yes, youre still a murderer but whats the justification of that? Preventing the deaths of the 75 million people that died in WWII versus the life of one person. Do you see the dilemma? No one wants to allow it to get to the point where we have to allow millions to die so theyre taking pre-emptive measures.

Iran supports terrorist organizations and funds them and they cannot be allowed to tip the balance in the favor of Jihadists hell bent on killing anyone that is not muslim and yes i went there because it's tied into this mess as thick as molasses,



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Secondly, if we don't lay off the aggression we're going to wake up one day and see this coming down the street:




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Oh and just a personal comment regarding combat strategy...
from a FEMALE perspective-

If/when I view another woman as a threat,

I do NOT attack her...

I MAKE HER MY BEST FRIEND.




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


For those countries that already possess those means, we should not allow them to be stronger than us.

It’s not about war….it’s about peace through strength…..it’s about diplomacy….it’s about stopping threats to our security by any and every means. I was taught to pray for the best and prepare for the worst and that is what I’ll do.


You are right I don't care what country you are from West, East, North or South if your country had the resources to build and stockpile nukes THEY WOULD don't be fooled. My father always told me to train, not to be stronger or a better fighter but train so you don't have to fight.

SO what am I saying? If you are a 110lb guy with a bad attitude would you pick a fight with a 220lb monster?..NO. Now if you are a 110lb guy with a gun would you pick a fight with a 220lb monster?..Yes you have the upper hand, a weapon. Now would the 110lb guy with the gun pick a fight with a 220lb monster with two guns of their own?.. NO.

Peace is not kept with a total hands off approach in this world. Peace is kept with a balance of intimidation(training not to fight) and a hands off approach.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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This video pretty much sums it up for me. You can carry on believing your governments, you can carry on believing that these wars are for the safety of the planet. What a load of rubbish. These wars are for power,greed,oil, and money, nothing more.




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Just saw this. Here my take:

1) You are deluded to think that the United States can prevent anyone it does not want having nuclear weapons from acquiring them. It really is like you haven't been paying any attention for the last 30 years. Technology is increasing and Weapons of Mass Destruction are becoming easier to manufacture and acquire.

2) You have NO FAITH in the United States. You believe that we are so weak that Iran can defeat us. We already have a nuclear deterrent. Either deterrents work or they don't - you can't have it both ways.

3) Anyone not wanting to attack Iran is not supporting Iran. We are supporting God, we are supporting common decency.

4) Its quite simple to show even WORSE videos than the one you posted coming from the United States. We could pretty much just use the language of the candidates running for President and not have to rely on chicken-hawk mullahs or protesters. By your logic, any country that listens to us SHOULD ATTACK us. That is the dumbest foreign policy there is.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
What makes you think i want to attack them? I'm not a warmonger. I've never killed anyone in my entire life and i do not support the killing of people. However I am not a fool that is going to stick his . in the sand and pretend this is not happening.

So youre justification is they haven't commited these war crimes yet. Ask yourself, if you could go back in time and kill Adolf Hitler while he was still in his crib to avert WWII, would you do it? If you say no, that makes you a mass murderer, if you say yes, youre still a murderer but whats the justification of that? Preventing the deaths of the 75 million people that died in WWII versus the life of one person. Do you see the dilemma? No one wants to allow it to get to the point where we have to allow millions to die so theyre taking pre-emptive measures.

Iran supports terrorist organizations and funds them and they cannot be allowed to tip the balance in the favor of Jihadists hell bent on killing anyone that is not muslim and yes i went there because it's tied into this mess as thick as molasses,


There is SO much wrong in your thinking. You don't provoke wars. PERIOD. Real people are being killed and just because you are not pulling the trigger doesn't make YOU any less guilty because its your support that is fueling it. Its such an old truth that I'm embarrassed for people that don't know it - you cannot live by the sword and not expect to die by it. All of this is coming back on us ten-fold.

No, I would not kill Adolf Hitler. I would not murder a baby because of what I think it might do when it grows up and its pretty sick that anyone would do so. The people of Germany had several opportunities to stop Hitler from rising to power and destroying their nation but they were so driven by FEAR, FEAR, FEAR that they allowed his war machine to be built up and unleashed against the people they FEARED. Ring a bell? Hello? Are you there?

Iran is a nobody. The terrorists are nobodies. They succeed once in a blue moon and we root them out. More people are MURDERED in Detroit and Chicago each year than die by the hands of terrorists? Where is our war machine there?

This is a FAKE WAR.

Ugh, frustrated. Moving on.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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The idea that Iran could wipe the US or Israel out the map is rather silly IMO.

There is no proof that they have any nuclear weapon and even if they did, who seriously think that they can alone destroy the US and Israel ? The first bomb they send would mean bye bye Iran.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Good Job SEA B

Flag for you.

I would say that this thread will be killed in tminus 3,2,1 seconds.

I would have to agree.

Hey lets give the physco kid a gun liscense. Ahhhhhh I think we better not.

Hey likes give they physco kid a nuke weapon. ABSOLUTELTY NOT.

Gotcha,

You know some people just don't get it.

Glad some do.

Peace out.

Semper Fedelis




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