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Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by _R4t_
Your taxes pay so they have a nice little computer in the car to check that stuff out....
How do you know the name and information of the person you have not encountered yet? Your rationale is based on a lack of understanding of how law enforcement works. How do you know the person you are dealing with is giving you the right info and not lying to you? How do you know the people who called 911 arent setting you up to be ambushed and killed? Since he was in the store with a knife, he could have forced any number of people to call 911 and give information that is not correct.
If you were an officer and you were dispatched to a man with knife / gun call, are you going to make contact with him first and demand his name and info so you can run him through the system?
Originally posted by _R4t_
Shoot in the f'ing shoulder the gun will drop... if he pick it up again than use deadly force... you don't have to be a genius to do that neither a marksman...
Supreme Court ruling forbids firing a wounding shot. We shoot to stop the threat, not to woulnd it.
Originally posted by _R4t_
And if your a cop going to a scene where you might get attacked by some guy with a knife isn't the last thing you are going to do is turn off the camera??? So in case stuff happen to you, the camera has it all and TRUE justice can be served...
True justice was served, regardless of the dash cam being on or off.
Originally posted by _R4t_
No this waste of flesh knew damn too well what he was in for and he wanted to have a little fun to boost is still wounded ego from high school.
I didnt realize you were a police officer and worked with this officer during the call. I mean how else could you come to such a clueless and fact lacking conclusion?
Originally posted by _R4t_
I mean who doesn't feel superior and almighty after beating a senior...
Not senior... Man with a weapon.
Based on your rationale and thought process I can see you are not, nor have you ever been, in law enforcement. We refer to people like you as Monday morning quarterbacks. If I have questions about the law, I will ask a fellow officer. If I am feeling suicidal and need ideas on how to end my life through stupid actions, you will be my first call.
Your hatred of the police and the stereotypical manner you present that hatred is preventing you from learning how the profession works. If you want to know, by all means ask. If you want to continue to accuse an show off your ignorance on the topic, more power to you.edit on 6-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by popsmayhem
The guy had a knife..
What would of you rather the
cop done SHOOT HIM WITH BULLETS>/>?
His age does not matter.edit on 16-1-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Xcathdra
Yeah, except that isn't what happened. The mentally handicapped guy didn't have a knife. Am I the only one that watched the video? The cop turned off his dashcam before the confrontation.Why do you think he did this? This is another example of you defending an indefensible act perpetrated by a crooked cop.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
You really need to understand how case law works. The court case you referenced does not allow a person to just up and kill a law enforcement officer. The Supreme Court has ruled reasonable amount of force is required.
If you see an officer making an arrest, you have no legal right to shoot and kill that officer. If you see an officer wrestling with a civilian, you do not have a legal right to shoot and kill the officer, let alone use any other deadly force.
If you are going to give legal advice, you may want to understand how the law works. You may also want to understand that each state has differing criteria for a civilians use of deadly force. Some states allow for defense of yourself and others, where other states, like michigan, require a civilian to retreat from a deadly encounter if they can do so.
Having an avenue of retreat and failing to use it will result in charges being filed against that person.
An example for you -
In Tennessee vs. Garner the US Supreme Court ruled that the officer had no justification for shooting a fleeing suspect in the back in order to effect an arrest. That ruling does NOT prohibit that action when the suspect is armed and an imminent danger to the community as a whole.
A court case that ruled on one issued, defining the issue across the nation, allowing for case by case basis. The use of deadly force can only be viewed in the context of what did the officer percieve at the exact moment force was used, because hindsight 20/20 in these cases does not take into account the moment.
That standard applies to law enforcement because of the very nature of our jobs. The standards for a civilians use of force are somewhat less than police, however the qualifiers are more strict.edit on 5-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
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The positive testimony of history is that the State invariably had its origin in conquest and confiscation. No primitive State known to history originated in any other manner. On the negative side, it has been proved beyond peradventure that no primitive State could possibly have had any other origins. Moreover, the sole invariable characteristic of the State is the economic exploitation of one class by another. In this sense, every State known to history is a class-State. Oppenheimer defines the State, in respect of its origin, as an institution "forced on a defeated group by a conquering group, with a view only to systematizing the domination of the conquered by the conquerors, and safeguarding itself against insurrection from within and attack from without. This domination had no other final purpose than the economic exploitation of the conquered group by the victorious group."
Thus, the essence of the State is domination, oppression, brutalization and exploitation. This is true even of these glorious and free United States of America, as I discussed in "Concerning the American Change in Management" (the phrase which properly should replace "American Revolution").
From time to time, the State may act in ways that benefit, at least temporarily, those who are not members of the ruling class. It is critical to see that such actions are only another means of control. They are the means of momentarily placating those who might threaten the ruling class's hold on power if events were allowed to run out of control.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by webpirate
Here is the conclusion -
Reprimanded Melbourne officer assigned new area
I take exception when people just post a youtube video without doing any type of research to place it in context.
edit on 5-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by _R4t_
A person armed with a knife can traverse 21-26 feet and reach an officer before that officer can draw his duty weapon and fire.
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by _R4t_
A person armed with a knife can traverse 21-26 feet and reach an officer before that officer can draw his duty weapon and fire.
According to my calculations that person is somehow accelerating to 15 MPH within 21-26 feet, which means there on pace to run a 5 second or so 40 yard dash. Wow, that's a fast 66 year old man. He might be the fastest 66 year old man on the planet considering age has nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by _R4t_
A person armed with a knife can traverse 21-26 feet and reach an officer before that officer can draw his duty weapon and fire.
According to my calculations that person is somehow accelerating to 15 MPH within 21-26 feet, which means there on pace to run a 5 second or so 40 yard dash. Wow, that's a fast 66 year old man. He might be the fastest 66 year old man on the planet considering age has nothing to do with it.
Based on my experience and training a person armed with a knife can traverse 21-26 feet in distance before an officer can completely draw his duty weapon to protect himself. Based on years of compiling data / stats from police encounters across the globe, a person armed with a knife can traverse 21-26 feet in distance before an officer can draw his weapon.
Age has nothing to do with it. There are 70 year olds in phenomenal shape that could kick our asses and there are 30 years olds who couldn't run for 10 feet without needing oxygen.
Whether its the 70 year old or the 30 year old, so long as they are armed, they are treated as a threat. What technology, exaclty, do you think law enforcement has to know immediately who we are dealing with and what they are capable of?
70 years or 30 years + armed with a knife / weapon / gun = threat.edit on 6-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)