Cop beats 66 year old man with dementia for no reason, page 3


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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 08:35 PM by Magnificient
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It looked like the cop was on a call and it also looked like he warned the man to stay back. It looked like good work to me. You can't keep moving toward a cop when they tell you to stay back. That he was 66 years old and had dementia doesn't matter that much. Lot's of criminals are 66 years old and all of them with some form of dementia.


reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:10 PM by pigwithoutawig
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You make some good points but don't you think the punching and tasering was a bit of overkill.



reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:13 PM by webpirate
Originally posted by Magnificient
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It looked like the cop was on a call and it also looked like he warned the man to stay back. It looked like good work to me. You can't keep moving toward a cop when they tell you to stay back. That he was 66 years old and had dementia doesn't matter that much. Lot's of criminals are 66 years old and all of them with some form of dementia.


Well....since there is no audio, it's hard to say if the cop was telling him to stay back. The nephew is saying in the interview he was telling the cop there was no knife and telling the cop he had dementia. People with dementia do have to be treated differently. What if it was a mentally challenged kid with a kmife? Should he be treated the same way you and I are?
I say yes. The cop had a tazer. You can see it on his left hip. Or just stay in the car till backup comes. The backup was obviously very close. He was there within a minute or so. You don't just walk straight towards a mentally challenged individual who supposedly has a weapon. The guy might have kept walking, but the cop did too.

Then have the first move you make kick the guy in the stomach...or possibly the testicles. And you don't do ANY of that after turning off the record feature of your dash can. Especially when backup is 1 minute away. It isn't good police work. It's horrible work. It's blatant abuse. And abuse of power.





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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 11:20 PM by webpirate
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OK.....I was trying to explain earlier, but was on my tablet and it's hard to type there. This will be a little long, but I'll try not to make it too technical. My guess is the camera is always on. This is for the police and public's protection. However, it isn't always saving the images. Think about DVR now. You can watch a show without recording the entire show, but also back it up to re-watch a part you missed or something like that. It is actually recording, but it isn't saving beyond say..and hour. That's how my TV's DVR works.

Let's say this dash cam works similar. It's always on, and always recording, it just isn't always saving the video. Well..it can be turned off, but the power to the unit would have to be cut. This cop apparently thought turning off the record button stopped it. It doesn't.

Now....either a complaint was made very early on after this happened by the family, or more likely...this probably happened near the end of the cops shift. They probably switch out tapes/dvd's or whatever they are using as memory to record onto each day. Think about your computer now. If you "erase" something...or basically send it to the recycle bin...it doesn't actually erase the content. All it does initially is remove the actual link YOU would see to the item/program or whatever. It also removes the " overwrite protection" of the file. Eventually, if you continue using your computer, that part of the hard drive will be re-used again. The file might start to get overwritten.

The only secure way to erase a hard drive is to use software which actually overwrites the program with something else. The current standard the CIA uses is 5 overwrites to ensure data is erased completely. Since the recording medium from the dash cam that day for whatever reason was probably removed soon after this episode happened, the data was never overwritten. It wasn't actually saved with a link either, but a good data recovery software can find files erased months ago or longer...as long as that part of the drive hasn't been reused that much.

Sometimes...it can get overwritten once or even twice..or at least partially overwritten and the data can still be recovered. Occasionally there is some data loss, but this seems pristine. I'm quite positive whatever was being used to record to from the dash cam was removed shortly after this incident. Then the entire say DVD was placed into storage.

Eventually, the guy who was beat up or his nephew's lawyers ask to see the tape. They may have even subpoenaed it. The cops working evidence check the tapes from that day and find the video had been turned off. Now...I'm not sure at this point whether the cops did the data retrieval or the lawyers hired someone to do it, but it got done, and low- and-behold...the incident in it's entirety was there for everyone to see. It was almost a month after the incident, so I'm guessing maybe it was the lawyers...but it could as well have just been followup by the evidence guys.

The camera was on. The cop thought he turned it off...but all he did was turn off the protected recording. Just like my TV does...I can back up for an hour and find something on that channel. Sort of the same thing here.

I hope I explained that good enough to make sense. Basically, the cop was an idiot. If he didn't want it on tape, the best thing to do would have been to angle the car/cam away from the scene. Technology was obviously way above his head.




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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 11:59 PM by JudgeDeath
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Cut cameras and action very nicely executed, he's been practicing by the looks of it, this isn't the first time this Coward has dished out a beating on a defenseless victim it's just the first time he's been caught.

Some Big Buck Brothers need to go and find out where this Cop and his close family hang out and show him the error of his ways, or at the very least break his arms and legs.
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reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 12:24 AM by Tennessee77
reply to post by Magnificient



at 27sec it actually looks like the officer motions to the man to come towards him and since the officer has turned off his cam, there is no audio to suggest that he told the man not to approach him. The act of turning off his cam prior to confronting this man shows that he intended to do something he did not want to be recorded. Then directly after he kicks the man the officer does not search the mans hands for a knife, so... he must not have been worried about that, so he obviously lied about his need to assault the man over a knife in the first place. And then.... the other officer tases the man in the face?? This is pretty clearly assault from both officers.


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 12:35 AM by mileysubet
reply to post by webpirate



Thank you, very well explained.

Although it makes the LEO look even more guilty than he already did. Which worked in our favor, we really need to get this type of person out of law enforcement.
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