reply to post by Talltexxxan
Star and Flag. In fact, this is the first thread on ATS that I have ever flagged. Kudos to you.
You have created a wonderful analogy and idea that captured my imagination and attention for several days as I reviewed your "Information Seed"
model.
First, I'd like to summarize your model of our current universe to make sure I understand it:
The Black Hole (a fruit) holds a singularity (or seed) that contains information used to form our universe. Our universe is formed from matter
existing in a supercluster arrangement (a sprout from soil which eventually develops into a trunk). From these superclusters stars (flowers) and
galaxies (the branches) form. Solar systems (leaves) extend from the galaxies, and finally the planets (or plant cells) end the extraterrestrial
explanation.
Terrestrially, the animals and life forces on the planet are likened to bacteria and life processes with a plant cell.
Second, I'd like to summarize your model of our universe's current expansion for clarification:
Every part of the universe outside the black hole (the crown of the tree, the non-trunk part) is moving at approximately the same rate (as the limbs
and the leaves of the tree would) but relative to our point in space (or on the tree) a planet (or leaf) in one location may appear to move faster
away by merit of it's distance and direction of movement (growth).
Third, if I may summarize your model of observing the beginning of the universe:
The Information Seed model says it is impossible to view the beginning just as a cell in a plant can't see the seed it came from.
Fourth, I'd like to summarize your model of the end of the universe:
The universe (leaves and branches of the three) continues to expand until it reaches a point of stasis (the leaves and branches spread out from each
other until maturity and stay at the same position from then on). When it's life cycle is over it then... [you don't draw an analogy between the
death of the tree and the end of the universe so I'm unsure what to place here].
Fifth, you summarize a model for multiple universes:
Multiple universes (trees) exist as a collection within space (forest) and have different characteristics in their formation (as individual trees
do).
Do inform me if anything is off with this summary.
These ideas require empirical support before an astronomy community would accept them as an alternative cosmological model, especially in place of the
big bang model. A few questions to fill in the blank or reconcile differences between the Information Seed model and the big bang model for
example:
1. With dozens of confirmed black holes existing in our visible universe and thousands upon thousands claimed to exist in our visible universe, and
each one seeming to lie at the center of a galaxy, how do you seperate a model for multiple universes from one universe with multiple galaxies
instead?
2. Does the Information Seed model claim an original seed from which all other seeds came?
2a. If so, where do the superclusters come from that the original seed used to start building the universe.
3. How does expansion in the Information Seed model reconcile with the prevailing view that the universe is constantly accelerating whereas a tree's
growth after the expansion period is more linear and then reflective of a steady state?
4. The furthest look into the past that Astronomists 'look into the past' via cosmic microwave background, from around 380,000 years after
(according to the big bang theory) the universe came into being. Does the Information Seed model offer an alternative explanation for the cosmic
microwave background?
Also, I have a few questions about your refutation of the big bang model.
Originally posted by Talltexxxan
Modern science has told us that every minute piece of matter in our universe is compressed into this incredibly small space. But I challenge that
notion in the way of thinking that every part of a tree that will ever be is compressed into a single tiny seed. To anyone with a brain between their
ears this thought would be preposterous. Of course every part of what a tree could be is NOT crammed into a tiny seed. What I am purposing is that the
singularity did not hold ALL the matter of the current universe inside it, rather it held the essential information/instructions for what and how our
universe would grow.
What if, during the initial expansion, the universe existed in a massless state, as energy for example? How could it not fit in an incredibly small
space if it doesn't take up space to begin with?
[Continued below. I apologize for the length of my response. I've been looking over this post for days analysing and such. It's rare to find people
on ATS with valid/well-thought-out posts these days.]
