Originally posted by kwakakev
reply to post by seamus
Corporations and governments (which nowadays are ALL corporate entities) have no substance and therefore do not exist in the real world. They only
exist in the minds of men and women.
I am starting to understand your point a bit better, is law nothing more than an idea? Law is a set of rules that establish the norms. Take 'Thou
shall not kill for example', does this behaviour result purely as an idea or is this idea a result of behaviour?
This is a hard question, for
it rests against one of the walls of the box you were born into. The true substantive law is so simple that no lawyer could get a job if we refused
statutory regulations. It is: "what goes around comes around", or, "what you put out comes back to you", or "what you do to another you do to
yourself". There. That's the whole of the substantive law. It is not subject to obedience or disobedience. It operates on everything in existence,
all the time, and even outside time. It's like gravity.
I know that's different from what you said about Law above. Let me clarify: the "set of rules that establish the norms" are purely the invention of
man. "The norm" is the invention of man. No man has substantive authority to compel or forbid any action on my part. That is called slavery, and it
is no longer allowed on a socially-accepted level, as its instructiveness was played out years ago. As inventions of man, statutes have no substantive
authority over any man except to the extent to which he willingly or ignorantly subjects himself to them. Not the UCC, not the US Code, not Common
Law, not even the Magna Charta or the Code of Hammurabi (though many aspects of common law and the C of H are in accord with skillful living under
substantive law, especially where contracts are concerned), and If I want to be a Wal-Mart em-ploy-ee, I can do so, if I want to subject myself to all
of these imaginary rules. The up-side is that I get all kinds of benefits (money, wide-screen TVs, a Toyota, a decent apartment, health insurance,
limited liability). The down-side is that I divorce myself from the true source of authority and make myself a slave. It is up to each individual to
make that choice. Most do such-like unconsciously, because they see no other way to be. That's the work of the PTB (not to be condescending or
anything, I know this is a conspiracy-oriented site and most know a lot of this stuff already). They are the "black hats" in this game, and they
have done a bang-up job.
Lets step back a bit before man with the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest. Did all the animals take on this idea or was this just
the environment?
The animals are representative of a stage of the evolution of consciousness. As such, they are subject to the law, just as
rocks are, and trees (which also have a kind of consciousness). This is where the discussion will divert into my personal views on the nature of
existence. I'm not sure that would be fun for everyone still reading, but if you want to know more about that you can ask.
Lets step back even further with the laws of physics. At the core of all matter is a strict relationship on how matter works and interacts. Just
because man did not have the idea of gravity, it did not stop apples falling on heads. We may just call this some abstraction and write it off, maybe
we can better define what it is that keeps us together.edit on 16-1-2012 by kwakakev because: added ", it"
The real law is
more like a law of physics than it is a rule. When one is ready to be free of the world of rules, one enters the world of consequences. The Buddhists
have it right in their assessment of moral and immoral behavior. They call it "living skillfully" and "living unskillfully". Doing right becomes
more internally-motivated when you understand the Law. It also becomes immeasurably more rewarding.
It is my fairly firm belief that humanity is approaching a brick wall for those who wish to remain irresponsible, i.e. living under the protection of
man, rather than the protection of the Creator/Universal Mind/whatever you like to call it. Go ahead, take a chance! The universe is a friendly place!
Me, however, I'm an as---le.
