It makes my heart flutter seeing those in power realizing they don't have long now.
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Topic started on 16-1-2012 @ 01:09 AM by Misoir
*This is a translation into English from the original article in Norwegian,
here*
The English translation is available at the link, here.
Former Norwegian Labour Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland, current Secretary General of the Council of Europe, and Chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee expressed very concerning views. On the subject of Norway exiting the EEA (European Economic Area) he claimed that such an idea is horrifying as it would begin the renationalizing of politics. Emulating, as he said, Hungary’s Prime Minister Orban who told critics of the new Hungarian Constitution: “Nobody has the right to tell us which laws we adopt”. To Mr. Jagland, this is not only terrifying but horribly inaccurate. In response to that he wrote that the European Union does have that right, Mr. Orban.
It is funny though, all the current EU member states joined before the worst of your bureaucratization and centralization began with the Lisbon Treaty. The only ones who were able to vote on it were the Irish and when they voted no, Eurocrats said “vote again”. And they would have held a vote every year until either Ireland voted yes or they ‘found a loophole’. But to Mr. Jagland the EU is about the right of member states to interfere, and even control, the internal affairs of other nations. And to him this is a great thing.
Oh how awful. People may actually begin to have a say in how their country works or even worse, the government may have to answer to its people and not Eurocrats. What you call alarming, sir, I call beautiful.
Yes, because people actually choosing their leader for their nation, a right of self – determination, must be stopped at all costs les the peasants taste real freedom and identity.
People like Jagland are what is destroying the greatest continent on Earth (in my opinion of course), Europe. Remove him from any position of power by any means necessary and when the time comes, which it will, when the people of the European nations can reclaim their sovereignty from Brussels, make sure this traitor pays for his treason.
The English translation is available at the link, here.
Former Norwegian Labour Prime Minister Thorbjørn Jagland, current Secretary General of the Council of Europe, and Chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee expressed very concerning views. On the subject of Norway exiting the EEA (European Economic Area) he claimed that such an idea is horrifying as it would begin the renationalizing of politics. Emulating, as he said, Hungary’s Prime Minister Orban who told critics of the new Hungarian Constitution: “Nobody has the right to tell us which laws we adopt”. To Mr. Jagland, this is not only terrifying but horribly inaccurate. In response to that he wrote that the European Union does have that right, Mr. Orban.
This is precisely why we built the new Europe after the war: the obligation and the right to interfere in each other’s internal affairs. European countries accepted the commitments stipulated in the European Convention on Human Rights which requires us to do so. A court was even established in order that citizens could take their own countries to court. The European nations are collectively responsible for ensuring that the verdicts are upheld.
It is funny though, all the current EU member states joined before the worst of your bureaucratization and centralization began with the Lisbon Treaty. The only ones who were able to vote on it were the Irish and when they voted no, Eurocrats said “vote again”. And they would have held a vote every year until either Ireland voted yes or they ‘found a loophole’. But to Mr. Jagland the EU is about the right of member states to interfere, and even control, the internal affairs of other nations. And to him this is a great thing.
I see an alarming trend across the continent at the moment: more and more people are talking about taking back the decision-making processes from the EU. Ørnhøi’s wish may come true, but perhaps not in the way he had intended, namely that other countries, and not just Norway, will start to demand to govern themselves.
Oh how awful. People may actually begin to have a say in how their country works or even worse, the government may have to answer to its people and not Eurocrats. What you call alarming, sir, I call beautiful.
In an age when Wilders, the True Finns and Le Pen’s daughter appear in the shadows, it’s simply too dangerous to jeopardize what is built through agreements and legislation.
Yes, because people actually choosing their leader for their nation, a right of self – determination, must be stopped at all costs les the peasants taste real freedom and identity.
People like Jagland are what is destroying the greatest continent on Earth (in my opinion of course), Europe. Remove him from any position of power by any means necessary and when the time comes, which it will, when the people of the European nations can reclaim their sovereignty from Brussels, make sure this traitor pays for his treason.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 01:21 AM by sonnny1
reply to post by Misoir
Give the sheep,back to the dogs. Tell the Shepherd,dont worry about the sheep,on the other hill. They are not yours.
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Ah,those pesky Technocratic Shepherd's
S&F.
Give the sheep,back to the dogs. Tell the Shepherd,dont worry about the sheep,on the other hill. They are not yours.
As the crisis has escalated this year, so the European elites’ fear of ‘their uncontrollable electorates’ has trumped concerns over their ‘out-of-control finances’. From Greece to Italy, technocrats have been installed in power, at the behest of the European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the EU itself. As we argued in an essay this autumn, the attack on popular sovereignty has continued apace: ‘In Brussels, and among an influential coterie of European opinion-makers, the idea that ordinary people have the capacity to self-govern is dismissed as at best a naive prejudice, and at worst a marker for right-wing populism.’ The outraged response from Europhilic commentators to then Greek premier George Papandreou’s proposal in October to hold a referendum on the EU’s latest austerity package told its own story: ‘All this panic and chaos, apparently, because somebody suggested the outrageous idea of giving the Greek people a say on their future?’
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Ah,those pesky Technocratic Shepherd's
S&F.
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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 03:33 AM by Mimir
reply to post by Misoir
What is happening in Hungary is a little scary, but the Hungarians gave Orban 2/3 majority in the parliment so now he got the mandate to change their constitution without support from other parties.
You forget that some prime ministers signed the Lisabon treaty without the mandate to do so.
This happened in Denmark and because of that I keep arguing we resign from the Lisabontreaty because it is nonebinding in Denmark. I also suggested to trial the former prime minister and hes foreign minister who signed this treaty in an "attemp" to commit treason to the country. Its very likely the same thing will happen with the new fiscal treaty in marts.
The European project dont have a public mandate in this country anymore because of the increase in beurocracy and facism.
I'm looking foreward to the crash of the euro-zone which I see as a failed attemp to create a free market between countries. Instead it became a regulatory instrument for the euro-poleticians who in many cases is un-elected people. We need/want to tear down the euromonster and go back to the original deals in EF before the Maastricht Treaty.
What is happening in Hungary is a little scary, but the Hungarians gave Orban 2/3 majority in the parliment so now he got the mandate to change their constitution without support from other parties.
You forget that some prime ministers signed the Lisabon treaty without the mandate to do so.
This happened in Denmark and because of that I keep arguing we resign from the Lisabontreaty because it is nonebinding in Denmark. I also suggested to trial the former prime minister and hes foreign minister who signed this treaty in an "attemp" to commit treason to the country. Its very likely the same thing will happen with the new fiscal treaty in marts.
The European project dont have a public mandate in this country anymore because of the increase in beurocracy and facism.
I'm looking foreward to the crash of the euro-zone which I see as a failed attemp to create a free market between countries. Instead it became a regulatory instrument for the euro-poleticians who in many cases is un-elected people. We need/want to tear down the euromonster and go back to the original deals in EF before the Maastricht Treaty.
edit on 16-1-2012 by Mimir because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 05:40 PM by UmbraSumus
reply to post by Misoir
An interesting documentary made by Dutch production company backlight - It touches on many of the themes in the OP
A taste of the content:
Fareed Zakaria: political scientist and journalist, addressing John Deweys contention that "the only cure for the ills of democracy - is more democracy"
He disagrees ..............
Believing instead that:
Worth a watch.
An interesting documentary made by Dutch production company backlight - It touches on many of the themes in the OP
Can we address the shortcomings of representative democracy -- failing political parties, increasing distrust of government -- within the current system or are we set to embark on a journey across a border where nobody ever dared to go?
Should we explore a new political model in order to overcome the current multicrises? In After Democracy this urgent question is addressed by Fareed Zakaria, John Keane, Hilary Wainwright, William Dobson and Cheng Li.
A taste of the content:
Fareed Zakaria: political scientist and journalist, addressing John Deweys contention that "the only cure for the ills of democracy - is more democracy"
He disagrees ..............
Believing instead that:
.....we have reached a critical mass where increased democracy, increased participation, increased transparency is actually producing dysfunction, populism & pandering and is in some ways subverting the purpose of democratic systems, which is after all to protect individual liberties, individual rights and promote social welfare.
Worth a watch.
edit on 16-1-2012 by UmbraSumus because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 02:21 AM by casenately
I think it ismportant to explain how the EU actually works. Most people at first galnce assume much and know little about how EU makes policy and
decides the standards of eligibility for its members.
here is a good explination put susinclty.
europa.eu...
here is a good explination put susinclty.
The Council of the European Union, which represents the member states, is the EU’s main decision-taking body.
When it meets at Heads of State or Government level, it becomes the European Council whose role is to provide the EU with political impetus on key issues.
The European Parliament, which represents the people, shares legislative and budgetary power with the Council of the European Union.
The European Commission, which represents the common interest of the EU, is the main executive body. It has the right to propose legislation and ensures that EU policies are properly implemented.
europa.eu...
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