It makes my heart bleed that the world trade center is so talked about. The American army killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS CIVILIANS not to mention
experimented in heinous ways that I do not want to imagine, just for the sake of science. My point being, Yes you were lied to but wake up the two
thousand people that cut your hearts so much would turn over in their graves if they knew what we had done in their memories. Im sorry, not we. THEY.
PBS broadcast of “Solving the Mystery of WTC7″ reaches 2.7 Million Americans, page 2
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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 07:08 AM by samkent
reply to post by amongus
Why do you feel he knows any more than the rest of us?
He also believes his show Lou Grant was canceled because of his political views. Not ratings.
That right there shows he believes in conspiracy theories.
Instant credibility. . .he's been around, and this isnt his first rodeo.
Why do you feel he knows any more than the rest of us?
He also believes his show Lou Grant was canceled because of his political views. Not ratings.
That right there shows he believes in conspiracy theories.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 08:18 AM by TrueAmerican
Originally posted by doubledutch
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by v1rtu0s0
You guys are crazy! WTC7 wasn't brought down by controlled demolition, fire brought it down! Fire is what caused the building to collapse symmetrically in a way that parallels demolitions, by symmetrically severing the core columns at the exact same moment to ensure symmetry.
And this happened on several floors, allowing the building to free-fall during it's collapse. Because fire is capable of doing that. If there's anything we know about fire, it's that it burns perfectly symmetrically. In fact, it's so predictable and uniform in it's damage, that it could caused several core columns to fail within less than a second of each other allowing the symmetry and free-fall. That's completely possible, and that's what happened. Just ask NIST, the mainstream media, and George Bush.
If you disagree with them, even if you're a structural engineer or high-rise architect with decades of experience, you're nothing more than a charlatan peddling conspiracy theories in order to fool gullible idiots into buying your film, because a career in architecture or engineering definitely doesn't pay good, so they need to make a couple hundred bucks for doing an interview.
And the BBC reporting it's collapse before it happened? That was just some confusion, that's all. They weren't handed a script that was read at the wrong time, because they were playing their role in the agenda, they were just confused, because it was a chaotic day. I know when I'm confused, I can accurately predict events that have never happened in history, such as steel-framed skyscrapers collapsing entirely from fire damage.
Those dozens of people who reported explosions, many of which explicity stated things like "I know what explosions sound like. It wasn't the sound of a building collapsing that I mistook for explosions, they were without a doubt explosions", are all lying. They just heard the building collapsing, that's all. 100 witnesses reporting the same thing, 200 witnesses, who cares. They're all wrong about hearing explosions, and me, one person, is right, and am in the position to tell all of them that they're incorrect.edit on 16-1-2012 by TupacShakur because: (no reason given)
nmedit on 16-1-2012 by doubledutch because: (no reason given)
Rofl, wassa matta? Tupac got you tongue tied?
That post was fricken epic! Awesome Tupac!
Yes, that's three thumbs.reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:15 AM by hooper
reply to post by v1rtu0s0
I watch PBS pretty regularly and in a major east coast market and can find no record of this airing except on conspiracy websites. Any back up?
I watch PBS pretty regularly and in a major east coast market and can find no record of this airing except on conspiracy websites. Any back up?
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:27 AM by spaceg0at
Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by v1rtu0s0
Mainstream levels? Isn't 2.7 million less than 1% of the US population?
ETA It was a good video, it covered some good points quickly.edit on 16/1/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA
what percent of the US population are PBS viewers .. 2.7 is i whopping number as far as that network goes
bravo!
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:41 AM by samkent
reply to post by bjarneorn
Your beliefs are not supported by the facts.
New physics teachers and professors graduate every year.
New engineers and professors graduate every year.
New architects and professors graduate every year.
Where is this ground swell of experts coming out stating that the buildings could not have reacted this way?
Only a small number have signed up for ae911. Out of all the experts on the entire planet all they can get adds up to about 1500.
Your beliefs are not supported by the facts.
New physics teachers and professors graduate every year.
New engineers and professors graduate every year.
New architects and professors graduate every year.
Where is this ground swell of experts coming out stating that the buildings could not have reacted this way?
Only a small number have signed up for ae911. Out of all the experts on the entire planet all they can get adds up to about 1500.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:44 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by bjarneorn
You know what's really funny? Your apparent inability to read and comprehend a full post, or your inability to detect sarcasm.
Go read what Tupac said again slowly, you'll see, and he's bang on the money.
See, what he ingeniously did was put up every single BS debunking claim possible, all in 1 post, tongue in cheek showing you how absurd it is to honestly believe fire brought that building down.
Don't fell bad, 911 is a heated subject and it's easy to read 1 paragraph then fly off the handle, you just did so on the wrong post.
I'm glad to see any of these A&E videos making the rounds as they stick to the facts without making claims or assertions without facts to base them on. In my opinion, the A&E videos are the benchmark for the 911 truth community.
You can scream inside job all you want, it doesn't help. It's much better to take an open stance, present the same information to "them" that led you to your opinions, and hope their brain does the rest. You won't win over everyone, this is a bitter pill to swallow thinking that elements of your own government, and that of an ally, would sacrifice so much life to drive towards a political, and profitably, goal.
Really, seriously ... go take a hike. It's really tiresome to hear this rhetoric again and again. It's like talking to a retard ... "The fire brought it down". It was brought down by "fire in office furniture". People like you, should think before you answer to these posts ... because you don't have any arguements, your just a parrot, parroting words that have no value or weight. It's so "stupid" to believe that an office fire, could bring down a building ... that one can almost ask you to go see your doctor, or wether you are a retard. What did you do, when you went to school? How did you get your grades? How did you ever manage to grow beyond kindergarten?
You know what's really funny? Your apparent inability to read and comprehend a full post, or your inability to detect sarcasm.
Go read what Tupac said again slowly, you'll see, and he's bang on the money.
See, what he ingeniously did was put up every single BS debunking claim possible, all in 1 post, tongue in cheek showing you how absurd it is to honestly believe fire brought that building down.
Don't fell bad, 911 is a heated subject and it's easy to read 1 paragraph then fly off the handle, you just did so on the wrong post.
I'm glad to see any of these A&E videos making the rounds as they stick to the facts without making claims or assertions without facts to base them on. In my opinion, the A&E videos are the benchmark for the 911 truth community.
You can scream inside job all you want, it doesn't help. It's much better to take an open stance, present the same information to "them" that led you to your opinions, and hope their brain does the rest. You won't win over everyone, this is a bitter pill to swallow thinking that elements of your own government, and that of an ally, would sacrifice so much life to drive towards a political, and profitably, goal.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:52 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by samkent
60 years ago there was only a handful of physicists that would give quantum mechanics the light of day, Einstein was NOT one of them, this doesn't change the fact that it was right, and has grow to epic per-portions now.
Basic physics friend, you don't even need an engineering degree to understand that a building collapsing from a fire in a "gravity driven collapse" simply can NOT do so without the lower half offering resistance. This didn't happen 3 times in recorded history, only 3 times in history has the law of conservation of momentum (energy) been broken.
all on the same day, less than a block away from each other
WTC1, WTC2, WTC7.
And why haven't more engineers spoken out? you don't think it has anything to do with the government run smear campaign against any that do?
Lemme guess, to you, popular mechanics, with their inaccurate model of the towers, "solved" this mystery for you right? Their insane, didn't happen, pancake theory?
Because, if you actually READ that article, instead of talking about it like you did, you'd have seen the same information I saw, namely, that the pancake collapse didn't happen, and with the building design of the WTC, couldn't have happened. And even if it did, the law of conservation of momentum would still have to be broken.
I don't need an engineering degree to understand how an office fire works, or that thick black smoke is indication of an oxygen STARVED fire, and that kerosene (jet fuel) not only can't burn hot enough to weaken steel, all burnt up in the initial fireballs on impact.
I don't need a degree to tell me that if the fires were indeed over 1800 degrees, the people seen in various videos in the impact holes, waving for help, were obviously ghosts because they would have been incinerated.
I don't need a degree to know that an office fire spreads, burning it's fuel and moving along, unevenly and that a fully symmetrical collapse wouldn't be possible as the heat distribution would be varied.
I don't need a degree to know any of those facts.
Only a small number have signed up for ae911. Out of all the experts on the entire planet all they can get adds up to about 1500.
60 years ago there was only a handful of physicists that would give quantum mechanics the light of day, Einstein was NOT one of them, this doesn't change the fact that it was right, and has grow to epic per-portions now.
Basic physics friend, you don't even need an engineering degree to understand that a building collapsing from a fire in a "gravity driven collapse" simply can NOT do so without the lower half offering resistance. This didn't happen 3 times in recorded history, only 3 times in history has the law of conservation of momentum (energy) been broken.
all on the same day, less than a block away from each other
WTC1, WTC2, WTC7.
And why haven't more engineers spoken out? you don't think it has anything to do with the government run smear campaign against any that do?
Lemme guess, to you, popular mechanics, with their inaccurate model of the towers, "solved" this mystery for you right? Their insane, didn't happen, pancake theory?
Because, if you actually READ that article, instead of talking about it like you did, you'd have seen the same information I saw, namely, that the pancake collapse didn't happen, and with the building design of the WTC, couldn't have happened. And even if it did, the law of conservation of momentum would still have to be broken.
I don't need an engineering degree to understand how an office fire works, or that thick black smoke is indication of an oxygen STARVED fire, and that kerosene (jet fuel) not only can't burn hot enough to weaken steel, all burnt up in the initial fireballs on impact.
I don't need a degree to tell me that if the fires were indeed over 1800 degrees, the people seen in various videos in the impact holes, waving for help, were obviously ghosts because they would have been incinerated.
I don't need a degree to know that an office fire spreads, burning it's fuel and moving along, unevenly and that a fully symmetrical collapse wouldn't be possible as the heat distribution would be varied.
I don't need a degree to know any of those facts.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:41 AM by pianopraze
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
I see your point, bro. I guess I needed to understand the huge industry that has been created around 911, and the DVD's are selling like hotcakes. Just last year Richard Gage made 20 million dollars on DVD sales alone. It's funny how people pirate hollywood movies, but didn't think to easily download the youtube version of 911 architects and engineers for truth, they spent 149.99$ on it, which is the going price.
You already understand the 9/11 conspiracy industry. Richard Gage is literally a multimillionare now because of the 9/11 conspiracy movement. For centuries con artists have concocted an amazing assortment of snake oil schemes to sucker gullible people with.
How many millions or billions were made in putt options?
Instead of attacking the information you offered a classic straw man argument... don't attack the facts attack the character...
When i see people use such tactics my mind thinks there is a reason they do so. You can tell a lot by peoples posts.
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pianopraze because: typo
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:41 AM by samkent
reply to post by phishyblankwaters
Ahh but you do need a degree to understand all the interactions. Otherwise any old Joe Blow could put up a building without any permits or engineering drawings. That is why we have building permits. The cities want proof that the building will perform to certain standards. You need a degree and experienced teachers in the subject. Not some internet expert.
The builders of the Titanic were experienced in making steel rivets. But they didn't follow the requirements of the designers and allowed too much slag in the rivets. After all no other ship in history had their rivets fail causing the ship to sink.
It's a simple case of 'know it all's' vs 'experts'. The know it all's rant about how it can't be and sell dvd's while the experts go on with the next building, learning from the last.
Basic physics friend, you don't even need an engineering degree to understand that a building collapsing from a fire in a "gravity driven collapse" simply can NOT do so without the lower half offering resistance.
Ahh but you do need a degree to understand all the interactions. Otherwise any old Joe Blow could put up a building without any permits or engineering drawings. That is why we have building permits. The cities want proof that the building will perform to certain standards. You need a degree and experienced teachers in the subject. Not some internet expert.
The builders of the Titanic were experienced in making steel rivets. But they didn't follow the requirements of the designers and allowed too much slag in the rivets. After all no other ship in history had their rivets fail causing the ship to sink.
It's a simple case of 'know it all's' vs 'experts'. The know it all's rant about how it can't be and sell dvd's while the experts go on with the next building, learning from the last.
reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:46 AM by jonnywhite
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Large chunks of the collapsing tower(s) collided with WTC7. That's what caused hte fires. It also caused considerably structural damage which is what led to it collapsing.
There's no need for any conspiracy theories to explain it. There is a data vacuum because of the chaos surrounding that day. But the existence of a vacuum does not equal conspiracy.
There is mounds of evidence that firefighters were well aware of the state of WTC7. They knew it had been substantially damaged by falling debris (from the other tower(s)). When you watch a lot of these videos, they don't show the damage on the other side. This is what leads to the flawed conspiracy theories. And many people have a stake in it. People that're anti-war or, in general, cook these things for a living. Once you see the evidence, you won't be fooled.
Fire very rarely brings down buildings. True. But WTC7 was already compromised because of the debris that struck it. Additionally, the fire sprinklers did not work because the water mains were broken. What do you think is more likely: 1) The government setup explosives in WTC7 preceding 9/11 and "pulled it", in direct violation of established law 2) The building fell due to the before-mentioned reasons. I'll go with (2), since (1) is thorny and is not the simpler of the explanations.
Large chunks of the collapsing tower(s) collided with WTC7. That's what caused hte fires. It also caused considerably structural damage which is what led to it collapsing.
There's no need for any conspiracy theories to explain it. There is a data vacuum because of the chaos surrounding that day. But the existence of a vacuum does not equal conspiracy.
There is mounds of evidence that firefighters were well aware of the state of WTC7. They knew it had been substantially damaged by falling debris (from the other tower(s)). When you watch a lot of these videos, they don't show the damage on the other side. This is what leads to the flawed conspiracy theories. And many people have a stake in it. People that're anti-war or, in general, cook these things for a living. Once you see the evidence, you won't be fooled.
Fire very rarely brings down buildings. True. But WTC7 was already compromised because of the debris that struck it. Additionally, the fire sprinklers did not work because the water mains were broken. What do you think is more likely: 1) The government setup explosives in WTC7 preceding 9/11 and "pulled it", in direct violation of established law 2) The building fell due to the before-mentioned reasons. I'll go with (2), since (1) is thorny and is not the simpler of the explanations.
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reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:52 AM by samkent
reply to post by pianopraze
Are we back to the put options again???
You can play the market in another way.
Buy CALL options AFTER the attack.
If the perps knew enough to buy put options before, they knew enough to buy call options after and double their profits.
But since both are tracked and the owners were known, the transactions could be terminated. So no one could benefit from 911.
But six weeks from now a new person will discover the claims from these 911 sites and bring up the options again.
Are we back to the put options again???
You can play the market in another way.
Buy CALL options AFTER the attack.
If the perps knew enough to buy put options before, they knew enough to buy call options after and double their profits.
But since both are tracked and the owners were known, the transactions could be terminated. So no one could benefit from 911.
But six weeks from now a new person will discover the claims from these 911 sites and bring up the options again.
WTC7, the smoking gun that just will not go away until the traitors are rounded up
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