RUSSIA: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Maybe while the usa's military and "oil focused thought patterns" are tearing around the middle east some more,north korean,chinese and russian armies will invade the west coast of the united states and imo,if they did,they would be able to penetrate a couple hundred miles before the usa could even properly react.Walk around any usa mall on a saturday night and look around at the majority of people you'll see,a cross sections of americans who would be physically useless and mentally helpless trying to stand up to a "real invasion" of the usa...

edit on 28-1-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

...that's because the best and brightest are sent away to die in the name of peacekeeping.

reply to post by victor7

Syria or any other country should not think of even using WMDs on battlefields let alone in other areas.

Why not when that consideration is only against the psychopaths (and those living under their protection) and to end their global domination?

There is huge difference between a shop lifter and a shop break-in burglar and daylight gun totting robber. Individual countries need not be perfect and they can get away with small shop lifting every now and then. But outright murdering people and chasing them from homes to another country etc. is a good recipe to fall into the hands of the western attackers whose real intention is to steal resources of the country under the cover of humanitarian help.

You seem to visualise an eternity of global domination by the psychopaths and the only recourse human beings should even consider is keeping them at bay and your "solution" seems to be not to "attract" the attention or give the psychopaths an "opportunity" to invent excuses. But I don't believe any human being can fail to prevent the psychopaths from attacking, just being human is enough for them.

No, I can certainly visualise a much better future for humanity, where we are not constantly hunted by the psychopaths. If that means laying to waste a few million psychopaths and those living under their protection, so be it. If Russia and China fail to do it when they have an opportunity, it is their loss, not humanity's. One day soon the psychopaths will underestimate a challenger's capabilities and they and their lackeys will go up in a puff of smoke. Count on it!

Originally posted by michael1983l
Privet DeepThoughtCriminal, the trouble with mother Russia is that it is full of corruption in its government. The government are not looking after its people, they are looking after themselves, which is why 80% of the wealth in Russia is with 20% of its people. Putin has great ties to Tehran because they make lots of money off arms deals, however do not let your government fool you into thinking that it is ok for Iran to have nuclear weapons. You should not be happy to allow your government to take your servicemen to war on the back of keeping Putin's back handers rolling in from the arms deals to Syria and Iran. Your people do not profit from this, only your elite. Spasibo.

edit on 15-1-2012 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)

The implication being that the US government is not corrupt, doesn't serve their own interests and takes care of their people. Are you sure? You need to wake up son, it's no different over here, you've been mislead. Our government is every bit as corrupt as theirs, perhaps, even more so.

Originally posted by blackmirage0311
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Thats Corporal to you, civvy.

And could you please enlighten all of us here on your vast knowledge of geopolitics? Do you know something no one here knows, or are you just making assumptions based on your fantasies of how this war will play out?

I'm not back tracking anything. No one would be retarded enough to launch "hundreds of nukes" lol

Like I said, 70 years and counting, nothing's changed. MAD has served its purpose

edit on 15-1-2012 by blackmirage0311 because: (no reason given)

Cpl. HAHAHA. #, you must know what you're on about.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by SGTSECRET

 

Again , Iran caused this on itself when committing a war act during 9/11. You don't just get tired of War and say , "Ok i quit, killed enough of you." no. A war last until the enemy is defeated and or has surrendered. Iran does not need nukes in any way. They are beyond being in bed with Terrorist organizations that have whole sale slaughter of innocent people in ALL religions. Their government is constantly clambering on about utterly destroyer America and Israel with regards to simply wiping Israel off the face of the map. They are also threatening to bring about Armageddon / usher in their little Imam or whatever he is. This nation's government deserves no diplomatic policy. Their government and their religious counsel needs to be invaded and killed. They are all radical Islamist and are about to get a Nuclear weapon.

edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

Rick Santorum is that you?

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by victor7

 

It seems to me that Russians have some "UNCONTROLLABLE" Erotic desire to polish the shoes of the NATO and hand wash NATO's laundry. They are working very hard and focused towards the fulfillment of this desire.

In the mean time, Chinese are very happy being the 'slave labors' to the west while riding the bubbles in their own economy.

When self pride is lost then the soul is lost.............at that point country, religion, culture, family all does not matter a squat.

Yes, But dont you see the common nominator here?

Putin is not doing NATO laundry. He is supervising.
And i bet that the Chinese top notch ain't doing any slave labour.

So who is doing all the crap?

When you see who is doing all the slave labour does it really matter what tactics the elite use?

It wont matter to them, that's for sure. Not as long as we do as they command. Things would be a hell of a lot different if they to had to work for a living.

The Irony is that we curse our leaders for making horrible choices. But still we work hard to make the crappy choices become a reality. This just tell me how dumb we really are, and it is because we are so dumb they can keep it up.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

I agree with you, what do you suggest we do about it? We're kind of danmed if we do, damned if we don't no?

Russian patriotism at full swing..............

www.en.ria.ru...

reply to post by Observor


The policy is the of containment. The system of psychopaths is doing wrong and it will crumble upon itself. Killing million of psychopaths in a battlefield is fine cause it is a war but going out of the battle arena would not be right. Even 10,000 causalities on battlefield will have their people calling/begging/pleading for changes in policies and focus of resources. What is happening in their countries is the mass mentality. When group of people jump on a lone guy, then the mass cheers for the group knowing that they would be safer that way. This is more true in the global arena where people are replaced by nations. Right now their citizens are pretty much quiet because they know their losses are minimal and they can get away after bombing civilians people and infrastructure of other countries. It will take only one or two hard hits on battlefield and these what so called brave bastards will be crying for mommy to come to help. I saw youtube video from Afghanistan battle and the US soldier was shot in the stomach and he was screaming words of nonsense and cursing George Bush and all the other MotherFs in the government. Only moments ago his tone was different and upbeat. Same for the collection of people also who cheer for a hellfire missile to take out a Libyan APC, but when their own are hit then most go dumbfounded and quiet.

Regarding the view of 'eternal dominance' and putting up with it, I would say true superpowers are made by their own efforts. Pretty true about USSR and very true about USA. Regarding countries like China who are out there to steal and copy technology and implement crony capitalism which seems good only for few and there is probably the same story about India...............such actions are not the making of a superpower in the long run.
Candidly 75% way of life of west is very right and acceptable and should be preached to others. 15% might need some fine tuning and rest 10% is pure right 'psychotically evil'. It is this 10% that needs "vigorous containment" and keeping at a distance from it just like on would like to be at a distance from a poisonous snakes. If other nations can wipe off or keep at bay, this 10% trait of the west, then there is no need to feel the dominance of any kind.

reply to post by victor7

The policy is the of containment.

Not sure about that.

The system of psychopaths is doing wrong and it will crumble upon itself.

Meanwhile hundreds of millions of humans are murdered, mutilated and enslaved. Not too keen on waiting for the psychopaths to collapse on their terms, because I value human life and dignity more than the lives of psychopaths and their lackeys.

Killing million of psychopaths in a battlefield is fine cause it is a war but going out of the battle arena would not be right.

Kind of funny coming from someone who advocated terrorism against civilians as a legitimate retaliatory tactic. Anyway why should anyone restrict themselves to the "battlefield" of the psychopaths' choosing? You attack my house and your house too is part of the "battlefield".

Even 10,000 causalities on battlefield will have their people calling/begging/pleading for changes in policies and focus of resources.

Perhaps. But that doesn't stop them from attacking again and again. If it did, the USA would never have attacked another after Vietnam. But we know they never stopped, only took a break. Every time they attack, they destroy much more of the victim than the losses they suffer, leaving humanity weaker and weaker after every such attack.

What is happening in their countries is the mass mentality. When group of people jump on a lone guy, then the mass cheers for the group knowing that they would be safer that way. This is more true in the global arena where people are replaced by nations. Right now their citizens are pretty much quiet because they know their losses are minimal and they can get away after bombing civilians people and infrastructure of other countries. It will take only one or two hard hits on battlefield and these what so called brave bastards will be crying for mommy to come to help. I saw youtube video from Afghanistan battle and the US soldier was shot in the stomach and he was screaming words of nonsense and cursing George Bush and all the other MotherFs in the government. Only moments ago his tone was different and upbeat. Same for the collection of people also who cheer for a hellfire missile to take out a Libyan APC, but when their own are hit then most go dumbfounded and quiet.

That is all fine, but not sure why that makes attacking them and dealing a deathblow to their domination unwelcome. If anything it only goes to show that a small percentage of civilian casualties will put an end to their adventures forever.

Regarding the view of 'eternal dominance' and putting up with it, I would say true superpowers are made by their own efforts. Pretty true about USSR and very true about USA. Regarding countries like China who are out there to steal and copy technology and implement crony capitalism which seems good only for few and there is probably the same story about India...............such actions are not the making of a superpower in the long run.

Humanity doesn't need super powers. No one is talking about replacing one expansionist bunch of global hegemonic ambitions with another. Most of human history didn't have super powers and the future too can exist without one. In fact, it is the ideological underpinning of the Soviet Union which prevented them from becoming the true champions of humanity. Those outside their orbit were as much scared of a world dominated by the Soviet Union without a challenge as they were of the psychopaths. The fact that there is no real replacement to the Western hegemony to fear is what makes destroying it doubly attractive.

Those enslaved by the predictability of the hegemony may fear the unpredictability that comes with the loss of the overarching authority. However, the rest of the world would welcome the freedom and the unpredictability that goes with it rather than the slavery under the reign of the psychopaths.

Candidly 75% way of life of west is very right and acceptable and should be preached to others. 15% might need some fine tuning and rest 10% is pure right 'psychotically evil'. It is this 10% that needs "vigorous containment" and keeping at a distance from it just like on would like to be at a distance from a poisonous snakes. If other nations can wipe off or keep at bay, this 10% trait of the west, then there is no need to feel the dominance of any kind.

I am not too keen on discussing the "percentages" of right and wrong, but rest assured if there is anything worth learning from the "civilisation" of the psychopaths, it will be, whether they dominate or not. Humans have a knack of learning useful things from everything around them. Humans learnt weaving from spiders without having to be ruled and controlled by spiders.

reply to post by Observor


100s of millions of humans are not being murdered or mutilated by the west, neither directly nor indirectly.

Sudden destruction or demise of the west would unleash horrendous amount of chaos and disturbance in this world resulting in all sorts of economic, social, religious problems. Can't think of a scenario where fanatic Islamic nations are attacking others to convert them to Islam or some other crack pot comes in with the idea of Communism version II and gains some local support and sets aside with a plan of global ambitions.

I did not say that asymmetric attacks on civilian targets is not right. To get the message through fast such attacks might be useful during a war. But killing a million civilians in a 'civilian focused' attack is not right. With the figure of million, probably you are using WMDs..........not right at all!

10K causalities within a week or month in war, is a high high high figure for any nations including thickly populated China and India to bear.

75% of life style of psychopaths is right because it resembles that life style of common normal people around the world. They sure do like to dominate due to their technological advancements but the problem arises when it takes a form of oppression. However, this will change very fast as best of the brains from Russia, Europe, China, India, South America are not coming to US to gain a settlement...........not anymore. The rest of the world is not so much "materially deprived" now as it was in 1991 (the official demise of communism). A vast majority of technological lead of the west is because they get the cream of the brains from around the world. Stealth Bomber concept was originally developed by some Petr Ufimtsev way back in 1960s. His idea was not accepted in USSR and he got disgraced and defected. His papers were read and researched by guys in Lockheed Martin and they built upon the idea to their success.

Civilizations rise and fall and some even disappear example: Mongolia under Genghiz Khan.

Nothing is constant except CHANGE. World is changing every second, it is constantly changing.

reply to post by victor7

100s of millions of humans are not being murdered or mutilated by the west, neither directly nor indirectly.

What is the time frame you are looking at? Days, months, year?

Hundreds of millions have been murdered and mutilated by the psychopaths in the last couple of centuries and whole populations have been wiped out in some parts.

In any case, I didn't just say murdered, mutilated, but also enslaved. Iraq has been enslaved and so has Libya. For self-respecting human beings dignity too is a very important thing, not merely life.

Sudden destruction or demise of the west would unleash horrendous amount of chaos and disturbance in this world resulting in all sorts of economic, social, religious problems. Can't think of a scenario where fanatic Islamic nations are attacking others to convert them to Islam or some other crack pot comes in with the idea of Communism version II and gains some local support and sets aside with a plan of global ambitions.

Let me guess, the planned chaos the psychopaths unleash in the lands they attack is somehow preferable?

I did not say that asymmetric attacks on civilian targets is not right. To get the message through fast such attacks might be useful during a war. But killing a million civilians in a 'civilian focused' attack is not right. With the figure of million, probably you are using WMDs..........not right at all!

You keep asserting that it is not right, but can't seem to say why? Civilian focused attacks were the specialty of the psychopaths during the WWII. Why is it suddenly out of fashion? Because that is the one sure thing that can defeat them and for some reason you do not wish to see them defeated? Wonder why you are so desperate to see the psychopaths continue their domination.

10K causalities within a week or month in war, is a high high high figure for any nations including thickly populated China and India to bear.

Not sure where you pull the numbers from, but if that is true, a much larger number should definitely do the trick.

75% of life style of psychopaths is right because it resembles that life style of common normal people around the world.

Who is complaining about their lifestyle? And if it is the same as that those around the world, why even bother to mention it? Might as well talk of how the psychopaths too have the same 23 pairs of chromosomes as other etc and perhaps push up the commonality to 98% or 99% or anything else you like.

They sure do like to dominate due to their technological advancements but the problem arises when it takes a form of oppression. However, this will change very fast as best of the brains from Russia, Europe, China, India, South America are not coming to US to gain a settlement...........not anymore. The rest of the world is not so much "materially deprived" now as it was in 1991 (the official demise of communism). A vast majority of technological lead of the west is because they get the cream of the brains from around the world. Stealth Bomber concept was originally developed by some Petr Ufimtsev way back in 1960s. His idea was not accepted in USSR and he got disgraced and defected. His papers were read and researched by guys in Lockheed Martin and they built upon the idea to their success.

Civilizations rise and fall and some even disappear example: Mongolia under Genghiz Khan.

Nothing is constant except CHANGE. World is changing every second, it is constantly changing.

Yeah, sure they change. A little nudge to ensure they change quickly is all what I am talking about

reply to post by Observor


Regarding 100s of million you might be right when looking at 20th century alone and the number might even higher than 100M killed and hurt.

Civilian focused attacks by Nazis on Soviets were gruesome and so were US nukes on Japanese. 100s of billions need to be paid to Russians and Japanese by Germany and US as war repatriations.

As for present and here on:

The 10% evilness of psychopaths need to be 'vigorously contained'.

Nations who think they might be on the target for attack need to boost their defensive and offensive capabilities in order to inflict good amount of military and civilian losses to the psychopathic nations attacking them. Unless they fear losses they will not stop from their murderous campaigns.

This might require even making alliances and blocs even on informal basis. Attack on one is attack on all.

Countries like Russia, China, India, Brazil, Iran and others need to attack the ills of corruption and looting from the state. This alone will free up lots of funds and resources to build good defenses, enhance standards of living and cultivate several industries to retain best minds to do research and create new technologies and theories.
That Russians siphon off $30B a year and send it overseas, That Chinese and Indians have nearly $1Trillion each in Swiss Banks is the own domestic ills and probably more hurtful than any external pressures of sorts. Countries need to look at their own mistakes before blaming 100% of problems on others. That is a very third worldish backward line of thinking.

And I say, make a more serious war and we will soon known what UFOs are. This could happen without war so it would be nice to not allow war.

reply to post by macaronicaesar

I agree with you, what do you suggest we do about it? We're kind of danmed if we do, damned if we don't no?

If you agree, how can you not know what to do about it?
You dont need me to tell you what to do. Either you are happy with the way things are or your not.
If you are not happy you know what to do. Its just that you dont want to do it alone.
That is basically the answer to your question.

We are not damned if we do, but we are damned if we don't.

Originally posted by Imtor
And I say, make a more serious war and we will soon known what UFOs are. This could happen without war so it would be nice to not allow war.

can you be more specific here? war and UFOs, do you mean to say US has UFOs going?

reply to post by victor7

Countries like Russia, China, India, Brazil, Iran and others need to attack the ills of corruption and looting from the state. This alone will free up lots of funds and resources to build good defenses, enhance standards of living and cultivate several industries to retain best minds to do research and create new technologies and theories.
That Russians siphon off $30B a year and send it overseas, That Chinese and Indians have nearly $1Trillion each in Swiss Banks is the own domestic ills and probably more hurtful than any external pressures of sorts.

What problems a country has internally including corruption, is its own business. None of anyone else's.

Countries need to look at their own mistakes before blaming 100% of problems on others.

It is the psychopathic scum of the world who think they are all powerful and everyone blames them for everything. The reality is the psychopaths are blamed only for their actions.

That is a very third worldish backward line of thinking.

There is more dignity and honour in being a human being making mistakes and reaping the consequences than living on the carcasses of dead human beings which is what the "first world" specialises in and the shameless, characterless scum from the rest of the world who gather there to feast on the pieces of the carcasses left over by the psychopathic scum and believe they are somehow superior to those living elsewhere, like a bandit's whore flaunting her jewels before a peasant's wife. Of course, when the time comes when the psychopaths bite the dust and they cannot engage anymore in looting the rest of the world to maintain their lifestyles ever dependent on murder and plunder, these pathetic creatures who gathered for the left overs will be left high and dry and deservedly so.

Originally posted by Observor
reply to post by victor7

 

There is more dignity and honour in being a human being making mistakes and reaping the consequences than living on the carcasses of dead human beings which is what the "first world" specialises in and the shameless, characterless scum from the rest of the world who gather there to feast on the pieces of the carcasses left over by the psychopathic scum and believe they are somehow superior to those living elsewhere, like a bandit's whore flaunting her jewels before a peasant's wife. Of course, when the time comes when the psychopaths bite the dust and they cannot engage anymore in looting the rest of the world to maintain their lifestyles ever dependent on murder and plunder, these pathetic creatures who gathered for the left overs will be left high and dry and deservedly so.

You mean to say that those who do not confront the psychopaths after equal to or already resorting to cannibalism? Do not know about that, but world might get into Cannibalism if WWIII type situation develops or is created by few who want a pre-emptive attack on the other side. That is why, make blocs and alliances and keep the psychopaths at a distance and let them crumble under their own evilness. In the mean time, Remove the ills of own societies rather than blaming the west for garbage pile up in high school playground where children should be playing and feeling healthy.

ps: by the way liked that example of bandit and his whore, i want to meet that whore and #kkkkk her good!

You Guy's just don't get it do you? I have been trying very hard to explain to you that all this talk about WAR involving any Major powers is BUNK! While the Soviet Union was falling apart and China began a modernization program of their Military...the U.S. was busy...LONG before any of that developing Next Generation Weapons that would render Nukes obsolete!

The U.S. needed weapons that were Non-Nuclear in nature to fend off a known by many Soviet plan to take over Middle Eastern Oil fields. Nuking an Invading Soviet Military would Irradiate the Oil and Natural Gas...so for Decades the U.S. has been developing weapons that could render entire Soviet Divisions innert as well as protect the oil.

This work actually began as far back as 1947 but real progress was not made until the Mid-80's and this was due to Computers. As far as the U.S. abilities in Super Computing especially now...these Weapon systems are no longer just in development but are either DEPLOYED or can be at a moments notice.

I don't expect all of you to understand the disparity this creates between the current abilities of U.S. Weaponry because you are not in the game...but I sometimes am and I am not even talking about anything CLASSIFIED as anyone here with a little time can search the Net and read about some truly amazing achievements.

And...NO....even though the Russians and Chinese are smart people...they are NOT at this level. A case in point...after the Soviet Union disolved and the U.S....had the ability to bring them to their knees...we did not. At this time...Russia did not even have command but 20% of it's then Nuclear Forces as Soviet Nuclear forces were spread out over multiple countries that for a time...REFUSED...any orders from the Kremlin.

Another case in point is the U.S. agreement to lower existing Nuclear Weapons to equal levels and very low levels indeed with the Russians. This is because the lower the numbers the Greater the U.S. ability to destroy smaller numbers of Warheads. If we did not have this ability...we sure as hell would never have agreed to lower our Nuclear stockpile so low or change all Minuteman III ICBMS from carrying 3 MIRVS to just ONE!
Split Infinity

Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by blocula

 

Long before these armies reach the US ports they will be identified. Long before means atleast 1000 miles and even much more. Then they will have nice welcome committee waiting for them in form of Aircraft Carriers, Precision Bombers, Subs and you name it.

If and when it happens,Russia,China and North Korea wont be attacking the USA with clubs and spears,they all have advanced military machines and technologies and they have secret agents as well and their troop strengths dwarf the USA's...

The vast majority of people living in the USA are asleep at the wheel,they have been lulled and seduced into believing that they are invincible...

But after their false sense of security and their rose colored glasses are removed,they will realize they are not invincible...

Sooner or later,when the brutal truth awakens them back into reality,that hellishly terrible awakening will make 911 appear like 2 toddlers fighting in a sand box in comparison...

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Dude, you don't get either, do you? If Russians and their military high command are not worried then we online folks are not worried either. Hope that puts an end to your grandiose declarations of 'mysterious advanced rats giggling in your panties'.

What if China and India decide to confiscate 10% of their $1T or more each, deposits in the Swiss Banks. At $100B each they invest it all into buying new weapons and all from Russia. This means $200B investment boost to Russian arms industry. This also means raw $20B profits or more to Russian Military Industrial Complex. This also means $600B boost to Russian economy given average money multiplier is 3. Mere this little get together of trade and exchange can give rise to a) three fairly strong military powers b) strong boost to Russian economy which can reverse the tide of population decline and also investments into new industries like agriculture production to meet the growing global demand for food etc. This would provide some diversification of revenues to the Russian economy which is currently mostly dependent on energy resources.

So end of it all.................be happy with your giggling rats!