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RUSSIA: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Military alliances do not ensure peace,just ask the russians who were literally driving supply trains into germany at the very same moment that millions of german troops were attacking them in june 1941...
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
Sounds like your talking about the USA,who exports most or all or its alaskan oil to other countries and then invades the middle east under false pretenses to try and forcibly obtain theirs...

US exports oil products while importing crude oil. India does the same. Iran and Indonesia export crude oil while importing oil products. It is a matter of refining capacity. Some have larger refining capacity than their needs and some others have smaller. Russia exports both crude and oil products. I know China imports crude, but not sure about oil products.

But you are right about one thing, all the oil fields US controls and intends to control outside the US are not meant to supply US domestic crude needs. Control of critical resources is for control over the rest of the world. It is a hunger for power, not oil. But neither Russia nor China exhibit a desire for that. So there is no need for either to ally and invade resource rich nations on that count either.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Russians had also read the Mein Kempf but it was the blunder decisions of Stalin that a) purged and weakened the Red Army b) looked the other way when Germans were building up to attack.

If that stupid Dictator had still shadowed his Generals sitting on their heads when planning for Battle of Moscow, the results would have been very different. After Moscow, Stalin started to give more and more independence to his Generals and by Stalingrad battle the Red Army was in full professional swing in decision making. Hitler on the other hand never gave discretion to his higher command and time and again shot himself in the foot.

Very importantly, while taking major lessons from WWII, it is about time Russians stop thinking of that event and taking solace that they can turn any tide from any enemy. It would be a blunder to think that Russia has 20M soldiers available and they can repulse any army...........sooner or later.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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It is very crucial that Russia/China supply Iran some sharp weapons like AWACS Killer R-37/YJ-91 missiles, Yakhonts to kill Aircraft Carriers, and other real mean systems that can make any attack extremely costly for US in terms of men and machines. Iran already has Hoot torpedo and some long range missiles to hit the bases around the Gulf.

If there is attack then response has to be asymmetric and very successful in certain areas. Russia and China should not sit mute in that event or it will be a catastrophe for them in less than 1000 days down the road.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Btw, India takes a bold step to help Iran and China is soon to follow the similar act.

India to pay for Iran oil in Gold in order help Iran bypass the sanctions on its Central Bank. Turkey has also refused to tow the line on sanctions unless they are approved by the UN Security Council.

www.debka.com...



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Oh Dear! I was watching something today about gold becoming the next form of payment as the world economies start to collapse and money becomes worthless.

This is a very very bad sign for the future!



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Lets be honest here, the next World War will be fought using the weapons that are highly classified and top secret right now. The US, China, Russia, Bitain, Isreal to name just a few, all have them.

As with the last World War, it is not until the war has finished that the general public is made aware of them officaily by there governments.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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If hitler had let his generals fight the war,the nazis would have taken moscow before the winter came and the russians would have been in an even worse situation then they already were...



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Jasonlreeve
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Oh Dear! I was watching something today about gold becoming the next form of payment as the world economies start to collapse and money becomes worthless.

This is a very very bad sign for the future!
Imo,thats exactly why everytime you turn the tv or the radio on,or drive down the street and see a billboard lately,they're all screaming "sell your gold" "get rid of your gold Today for fast cash",and most i,me,mine materialistic americans will fall for "the fast cash tactic" every time...
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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It is extremely important that both Russia and China come out and make an alliance with Iran. If this is not done and Iran is attacked resulting in regime change, then both Russia and China will pay through the nose down the road. Link below


www.globalresearch.ca...
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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When the hell and how the hell did iran assume such importance upon the stage of world powers?

Is it because of the possibility they might have,or soon be getting nuclear weapons?

Or is it because they feel all big and bad spewing their over inflated rhetoric making half hearted threats because they think their big brothers russia and china will come running to their rescue?

I would literally double over laughing if russia,china,the united states,or any combination of those invades and kicks in the front door of iran and then knocks the front teeth out of the iranians big mouths...

That will wake them up to reality and stop a lot of them from jumping up and down in the streets burning effigies and american flags every damned day and night...

Dont they have jobs to go to and families to provide for?

Remember not so long ago when the iranians were dancing and cheering all over the country when all those men,women and children were killed on 911?

We should have militarily kicked their a$$es with multiple air strikes just for doing that...Imo


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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
When the hell and how the hell did iran assume such importance upon the stage of world powers?



Us attacking Iran, has nothing to do with Iran.

Unless China loses its fuel sources, it'll surpass America technologically and militarily....in short time.

Toppling Iran is only meant to weaken China.

Iran has no air force, no navy...no nothing. They can't even make their own gasoline.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius

Originally posted by blocula
When the hell and how the hell did iran assume such importance upon the stage of world powers?





Unless China loses its fuel sources, it'll surpass America technologically and militarily....in short time.

Thats probably bound to happen because they have so many people in china,a lot of brilliant minds have been born there and its the same with india as well...



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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China is not surpassing US anytime soon like in 50 years. We do not even know if Chinese bubble will burst by that time or earlier. China is no match to US in technology or military. They are not even upto the match for Russians. Reverse engineering from Russia and stealing from US are the two sources of ideas to the brilliant minds of the commies.

All this attack on Iran is the resources war for oil and energy. 95% of oil contracts in Iraq went to US companies, 90% of Libyan contracts sit with US-Western Europe. If Iran expedition is successful then next will be the resources robbery of Russia and then choke off China in terms of oil and start commanding the sea lanes to control China's trade to the rest of the world. Total Spectrum Domination is the idea.

Hope this idea does not turn into a nuclear and wmd laden WWIII, because that would be a real bad idea!


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posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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It is very crucial that Russia/China supply Iran some sharp weapons like AWACS Killer R-37/YJ-91 missiles, Yakhonts to kill Aircraft Carriers, and other real mean systems that can make any attack extremely costly for US in terms of men and machines. Iran already has Hoot torpedo and some long range missiles to hit the bases around the Gulf.

If there is attack then response has to be asymmetric and very successful in certain areas. Russia and China should not sit mute in that event or it will be a catastrophe for them in less than 1000 days down the road.

Unless the cost of attacking involves a destruction of their homeland, they West may not be deterred from attacking Iran. Loss of military men and equipment can be expected to be worth the prize, complete domination over the world.

It is extremely important that both Russia and China come out and make an alliance with Iran. If this is not done and Iran is attacked resulting in regime change, then both Russia and China will pay through the nose down the road.

It is not exactly the right time to declare an alliance. They would be looking silly having supported some sanctions against Iran.

But it is not too late to come out and declare that they are convinced the sanctions worked and Iran is in complete compliance with its obligations under the NPT and declare dire consequences in the event of a military aggression by any outside powers.

Israel, if it is suicidal, may attack Iran, but Iran can respond decisively to such an attack.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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I doubt US can take a loss of 5-10,000 men and say dozens of ships, both big and small sunk in the narrow Hormuz. All this if happens within a week will be a crippling psychological blow to any western country. If a country can make the cost of attack even expensive then wise money would side with the peace and diplomacy, even in the power drunk western capitals.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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When the hell and how the hell did iran assume such importance upon the stage of world powers?

Since Iran's oil reserves were known?

Oil is a critical resource and control of it lends power. Those seeking global power want to control it. Others opposed to those seeking power want to make sure they don't.

That will wake them up to reality and stop a lot of them from jumping up and down in the streets burning effigies and american flags every damned day and night...

Dont they have jobs to go to and families to provide for?

Apparently not any less than you who has the time to watch what they do every day and night and keep talking about it at every opportunity or even when you don't have any.


Remember not so long ago when the iranians were dancing and cheering all over the country when all those men,women and children were killed on 911?

You mean like all those sitting in front of their TVs with popcorn to watch with glee the "shock and awe" that would kill men, women and children?

No, that wouldn't be Iranians. They are civilised human beings.

But then facts never stopped you. So just go ahead with fantasies.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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Man , Im glad we agree on most things. You are one tough debater.

Kudo's man, go get em, enjoy reading your post.

Sry off topic.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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I doubt US can take a loss of 5-10,000 men and say dozens of ships, both big and small sunk in the narrow Hormuz. All this if happens within a week will be a crippling psychological blow to any western country. If a country can make the cost of attack even expensive then wise money would side with the peace and diplomacy, even in the power drunk western capitals.

Tell me you are joking!

Can you imagine what the consequences to the US of such an action would be?

Iran would be an instant hero with the people of the Middle East. All the Arab regimes that have US bases would be scared to death. Not only would they give notices to the US to shutdown the bases, they will be scrambling to get out of US protection and start entering into military alliances with Iran. They would dump the US dollar and use whatever currency Iran is using for their international trade.

In short, US would be giving up its status as the dominant power in the Middle East and by consequence the world. You expect them to do that over the loss of a few ships and a few thousand soldiers especially when all of that could easily have been anticipated when going in?

No, if they do indeed lose big at the start of the invasion as you think they would (as admitted earlier, I am not familiar with the military capabilities of either side, any country for that matter), they would be going in prepared to nuke Iran into submission, not to withdraw after the first couple of weeks. Notice all the guys here bragging about the US "virtue" of it never beginning a war with nukes, but ending it with nukes? That is exactly what they will offer as justification this time round too, using nukes to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of US military. In fact an early success for Iran will provide exactly that excuse.

As for those who think the US will become an "international pariah" if that happens, I can only say they are daydreaming. An "international pariah" is what the US should have become right after it invaded Iraq in 2003. It didn't. Instead every country including those who vehemently opposed it like Russia and China meekly expressed "hopes of a quick end to the war" and US victory. Not one country in the whole world had the courage to condemn the attack. The closest anyone came to expressing even a disagreement with it, officially, was the Indian parliament which passed a meaningless sense of the house resolution describing it as "unfortunate" or some other such useless word/phrase.

If Iran is attacked and had not been supplied with weapons that can annihilate a few US cities and bring an end to the domination of the psychopaths, the only course open to the BRICSA nations (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) is to unequivocally condemn the aggression and Russia/China to follow it up with annihilating a few US cities themselves, whether US uses nukes or not. Otherwise the psychopaths will do whatever they please and countries like these deserve what is coming to them, destruction and slavery.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Very well said and imagine the united states trying to psychologically and emotionally handle 30 million dead like the russians did in ww-2...

Whats perhaps the most important question of all...Do the present day people of the united states have the morale and the will power to fight another major war?

Well after walking through any of our local malls on a friday or saturday night i would have to say...No...

We've been lulled into a false sense of security for too long,911 didnt wake us up,it only turned us over in our sleep,adjusted our pillows...

The vast majority of americans have been hypnotized by dancing with the stars,american idol ect,ect...

Fallen under a spell by worshiping hollywoods drug addicts and whores like lohan,gaga and sheen ect,ect...

And someday we'll be awakened by force and made to pay a terrible price...Imo...


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