Dr. Paul's foreign Policy is Dangerous, page 2


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reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 03:13 PM by beezzer
reply to post by TDawgRex

That's where my concerns were. Every candidate has stated what their policies were. Specifically. Paul was always more general.

Would I like to see wars end?

You betcha!

Would I want to see our allies suffer?

Um, nope.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 03:24 PM by Kester
Originally posted by TDawgRex
Originally posted by Kester
reply to
post by Hendrix92TheUniverse



It's natural and healthy for people to want to defend their community. It isn't natural to obey orders.

It's natural to respect and perhaps follow wise leaders who've proven their capabilities. It isn't natural to accept characters whose history and capabilities aren't known to you personally as your 'superior officers'.

This is where the problem lies. There would be no need for the drilling and training that makes an obedient military unit if the true respect was there. They drum it into you that you don't think, you don't question, you just do what your told. Otherwise you would do what is right. Following orders that ultimately come from those who profit is wrong. So wrong the strain can lead to suicide.

Ron Paul is your Commander in Chief. You have chosen him.




I take exception to your way of thinking that US Servicemembers are taught not to think, but to blindly follow orders.

During my three decades of service, I questioned everything under the sun. I always tried to question intelligibly though, not emotionally. That is the way I was taught by very wise NCOs and Officers.

Sometimes I didn’t agree with the mission, but went anyway, just to try to keep my Joes alive. I could have been relieved of my duties and the responsibility would have been given to someone possibly less competent, but the mission would have gone on anyway.

By the way, I have brought everyone home intact. Everytime, and sometimes we were quite ruthless.

But you are right. People will follow those they respect…rather than appointed.

ETA: I have taken to calling those who follow blindly as lemmings, not sheeple.
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O.K. you've caught me out here. I don't know what I'm talking about. If I'd ever tried to join the military they'd have kicked me out the same day. I never follow orders and I always go my own way. I've no real idea what military training is.

I've had two attempts on my life because of my extreme publicity stunts bringing sensitive information to influential people. I've done my service. No one paid me anything. No one trained me or told me what to do. I didn't wear any kind of uniform but I think I'm standing on the same side as you. I'll try to be more tactful in the future.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 04:20 PM by monkofmimir
reply to post by beezzer



Ron Paul doesn't think its ok for Iran to have nukes, he has said he is against the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Ron Paul just thinks that letting Iran have nukes is preferable to bombing it back to the stone age.

He wants to encourage strong trade relations with countries like Iran which will have 3 advantages

1. Countries like Iran are terrified of invasion by the US, which makes them all the more eager to develop nukes and other weapons as a deterrent. A non aggressive US would give Iran and other countries less perceived need to develop such weapons.

2. Strong trade relations between two countries make in harder for them to declare war on each other.

3. The populations of countries like Iran are repeatedly encouraged in to xenophobia and distrust of foreign nations as a tool for there elite to better control the masses. A America that is less prone to war would help weaken these extremists arguments and would lead to more moderate leaders being able to assume control.

At least that is my interpretation of what he has said


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 04:30 PM by Hendrix92TheUniverse
Originally posted by monkofmimir
reply to
post by beezzer



Ron Paul doesn't think its ok for Iran to have nukes, he has said he is against the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Ron Paul just thinks that letting Iran have nukes is preferable to bombing it back to the stone age.

He wants to encourage strong trade relations with countries like Iran which will have 3 advantages

1. Countries like Iran are terrified of invasion by the US, which makes them all the more eager to develop nukes and other weapons as a deterrent. A non aggressive US would give Iran and other countries less perceived need to develop such weapons.

2. Strong trade relations between two countries make in harder for them to declare war on each other.

3. The populations of countries like Iran are repeatedly encouraged in to xenophobia and distrust of foreign nations as a tool for there elite to better control the masses. A America that is less prone to war would help weaken these extremists arguments and would lead to more moderate leaders being able to assume control.

At least that is my interpretation of what he has said


Thank you,

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

You hit the nail on the head.

"Freedom doesn't divide us, it unites us". - Dr. Paul

"We should be friends with nations, and trade with them". - Dr. Paul.

"We should follow the advice of our founders, and not get involved with entangling alliances." - Ron Paul.

"We should not be the policemen of the world" - Dr. Ron Paul.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 04:42 PM by hawkiye
reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse



Yeah his foreign policy is dangerous all right.... to the profits of the military industrial complex that is! The attacks are only going to get worse from here on out...


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 05:07 PM by TDawgRex
reply to post by beezzer



There are some who find that preferable.

But they are those who would not fight, in the the long run.

People (Mainly western) who think if we could just all get along...
Ain't gonna happen.

I tell people all the time (for decades) that you cannot apply the western mindset to a eastern or Islamist mindset.



reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 05:11 PM by monkofmimir
reply to post by beezzer



how much does it cost America every year in blood, money and reputation to play policeman. Yes the military industrial complex and the oil companies make a killing off of it but everyone else in America looses. It is in Americas own best interests to stop being the policemen of the world.

If you are worried that a successor to America will rise to the position of policeman of the world and harass the US, look at China. China despite having horrible politics it has 2 things going for it.

1. While its military doesn't have much reach (there is little concern that it could successfully invade the US for example) but it is powerful enough that no one considers China a soft touch ripe for invasion.

2. China trades, its goods are everywhere. Probably half the things I own were made in China. Most countries just aren't willing to upset china because they don't want to lose out on trade with it.

If the US can take these two lessons from China, it will become more prosperous and less threatened by potentially hostile countries.
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reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 08:52 PM by AzureSky
Originally posted by sparrowstail
If you look at the current state of affairs, it is like the US has a giant heroin addiction and Ron Paul represents rehab or getting clean. The addict will lie, steal, manipulate, and give you a million reasons why or avoid the real issue or problem. Addicts will bankrupt themselves and everyone around them. They will manipulate and seek out those who will enable them. They will flock together with like minded addicts. They will turn violent to get what they want. They will borrow and get fronts with no concern where the owed money will come from to pay back. They won't go down without a fight. Poor Ron has his work cut out for him.


Also,
It's better to offer a drug addict treatment,
Then to force treatment upon them (usually doesn't work)

And honestly, i think Israel is a huge issue for the US.
I think there is far more going on than we're led to believe.

I also believe that any country should be allowed to harness means to power themselves.
They've already said nuclear weapons are not on the table, they want nuclear power.

I swear this is the same thing that happened with saddam, "OMG NUKES" "Oh wait, no nukes.",
How does one justify military action in well over 6 countries now? It almost seems like a hostile takeover.

Oh, i wonder why the 'libyan rebels' instantly set up a central bank after taking down the big bad dictator. You know, the central banks controlled by the elite ruling class? Is it just me? or is anyone else connecting the dots here. Resources: check, rebuilding contracts: check, start enslaving the population into debt: check.

How many more countries are we going to do this to, until we finally realize "Hey, this isn't in our best interest, this is in the interests of profiteers. And the ruling class that plays games with our lives, our economy, and world affairs.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 09:03 PM by seaside sky
reply to post by rogerstigers



very well put- words of wisdom for both individuals and nations to live by.

Persuade by setting a good example to others, but defend yourself with tooth and claw if attacked.
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