Is the "Holy Spirit" in Reality a Demon?

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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In looking into Sophia, that is a post-Christian concept. I think we should look further back and the Jews did indeed and still do recognize the Shabbat HaMalka...
Shabbat HaMalka

I knew my friend always said Shabbat HaMalka at the beginning of the sabbath service in the synagogue and I asked her one day who this was, it is the Queen of the Sabbath. Apparently she is the female aspect of God.

In the Kabbalat Shabbat service six psalms (95-99) are recited that declares that G-d is Master of the universe. And these six psalms allude to the fact that Shabbat is the testimony of His creating heaven and earth in six days, resting on the seventh day...and refers ultimately to the eternal Shabbat of the Messianic Era. After the six psalms then the song Lecha Dodi (Come My Beloved) is sung to greet the incoming Queen of Days - Shabbat.


Even though the Psalms indicate the Lord is a male by saying He, there are many other parts that, even though they do not say she, refer to a female individual. One such instance is the Song of Solomon, and many Christians say this is either a real love story of intimacy between Solomon and one of his wives (presumably the Queen of Sheba) or it represents the holy union of Christ and His Bride, the church. But I have trouble reconciling the overt sexual descriptions, it is as though we are voyeuristic, peering into an intimate setting of which we should not be looking at. But through the Song of Solomon, he uses the term My Beloved throughout.

I know it is included in all Bible translations and if people say that hearkens back to Solomon eventually turning away from God and following the idols of his many wives, then it should not be in the Bible. The Song of Solomon is included, so we need to understand what it means according to the rest of what the Bible says.

What we see in the Song of Solomon, is not just a man speaking, but a woman speaking more often. And they are speaking in very intimate terms with each other. But in this book, Solomon is speaking to only one woman, even though he had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

I don't think Solomon had all those wives just because he had sex with all of them, he was preserving his kingdom through political marriages which is what many kingdoms did in those days. There is a lot going on in the Song of Solomon, and it should not be viewed as the ancient Israeli sex manual.

You have to realize that Solomon also built the temple in Jerusalem, the one in which God came into. The Bible is plain in that God came down in the form of a mist, or a cloud. That is the Shekinah, and the Hebrew definition of Shekinah is the female part of God. The Christian has a conundrum here, if they accept there was a visible manifestation of a cloud that descended during the worship service, that the Jews called Shekinah, then they have to accept this as real and if they accept it as real, then they have to apply it to their understanding of Jesus Christ. We do accept a greater than Solomon is here, but the Queen of Sheba will rise in judgment against the last generation because they did not seek the greater one.

But do we see the Shekinah experience again in other parts of the Bible. Yes we do, let's discuss what happened. In the Book of Acts the 120 were gathered in the upper room in Jerusalem, they were praying until they came in unity and then there was the sound of a mighty wind, and cloven tongues like fire came onto their heads. Wait, in the dedication of Solomon's temple, there were 120 singers who came in unity and smoke came down and filled the temple. The first time it came, the glory was revealed, the second time it came, the glory and power came.

The Shekinah is female, and is separate and in unity in God. The temple of Solomon had written on the wall of the temple, the one God dwelt in, said "To Yaweh and His Ashera". The Hebrew for the wife of God, the Shekinah. Does this make me less Christian? No, it causes me to understand the Bible better. It reinforces my faith in Jesus Christ.




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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The Shekinah is female, and is separate and in unity in God. The temple of Solomon had written on the wall of the temple, the one God dwelt in, said "To Yaweh and His Ashera". The Hebrew for the wife of God, the Shekinah. Does this make me less Christian? No, it causes me to understand the Bible better. It reinforces my faith in Jesus Christ.


This sounds like they were talking about Mary the Blessed Virgin...who goes by many titles even today. Do you think that this was the woman they referred to in the temple of Solomon, whom God then incarnated in the womb of Saint Anne as His Immaculate Conception , a woman born with no sin.. and to live perfectly the will of God in everything that was asked of her?

Some of her other titles...

MOTHER of MERCY

OUR LADY of GRACE.

OUR LADY of LOURDES

OUR LADY of FATIMA

OUR LADY of GUADELOUPE

OUR LADY of SORROWS

QUEEN of HEAVEN



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
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The Shekinah is female, and is separate and in unity in God. The temple of Solomon had written on the wall of the temple, the one God dwelt in, said "To Yaweh and His Ashera". The Hebrew for the wife of God, the Shekinah. Does this make me less Christian? No, it causes me to understand the Bible better. It reinforces my faith in Jesus Christ.


This sounds like they were talking about Mary the Blessed Virgin...who goes by many titles even today. Do you think that this was the woman they referred to in the temple of Solomon, whom God then incarnated in the womb of Saint Anne as His Immaculate Conception , a woman born with no sin.. and to live perfectly the will of God in everything that was asked of her?

Some of her other titles...

MOTHER of MERCY

OUR LADY of GRACE.

OUR LADY of LOURDES

OUR LADY of FATIMA

OUR LADY of GUADELOUPE

OUR LADY of SORROWS

QUEEN of HEAVEN


What I think happened, and please do not think I am anti-Catholic, there were some leaders in the Roman church who wanted to replace the Jews in their place with God and to convince new converts they must really be from God, called Mary by that imagery. I am not going to say that all Catholics in the beginning believed this, just some and those are the ones who seized power.

Maybe to them, Mary is the embodiment of the Shekinah, but I would say no, she is not. When Jesus was alone, before His crucifixion, the disciples came to Him and said "thy mother and thy brethren are without" meaning they were outside the door and had come to see Him, Jesus replied "My mother is she who does the will of God". You would think this hurt His mother's feelings, unless she completely understood the meaning of what He said. When He was on the cross, His mother was there and Jesus looked down and said to John "Behold thy mother" and to Mary said "Woman, behold thy son".

It would have been a sin for Jesus to not honor His mother. In the miracle at the wedding of Cana, He was asked by Mary to turn the water in to wine. She knew very well who He was and what He could do. Jesus replied "Woman, what have I to do with thee, thou knowest My time is not yet". Mary proceeded to tell the butler of the house to do just exactly what Jesus said to do. Then He performed the miracle.

Mary, as the mother of Jesus, knew exactly what the scripture said and she herself repeated the words "Shabbat HaMalkah" because she was an orthodox Jew and kept the Jewish sabbath as they had done for thousands of years. But some men wanted to validate the Catholic church and those men imposed the idol worship of Mary, of which she herself would have been mortified to know they would do this.

We can't say it was all Catholics who did this, there were those who did respect the Jewish laws and customs. We have to look solely at those particular men who did this. It was those men who removed the books from the Bible that contained truth, but we also have to commend those who removed books that were indeed false.

I think there were some people who had so little faith in God to sustain them in their religion, that they felt they had to create something that was never intended, to preserve the new Christian church. The problem was, God was going to preserve it. The changes came about because of lack of faith, not a real faith in Jesus Christ.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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I think there were some people who had so little faith in God to sustain them in their religion, that they felt they had to create something that was never intended, to preserve the new Christian church. The problem was, God was going to preserve it. The changes came about because of lack of faith, not a real faith in Jesus Christ.


I'm so sorry you have not been blessed with seeing the importance of the role of Mary to bring us to her Son Jesus.

God himself has chosen her to appear with messages of faith..always drawing souls to the mercy and love of her Son.

A devotion to her and an understanding to the role she plays in the story of our salvation is very important.

She is the Immaculate Heart that leads us to the Sacred Heart of Jesus...which can be attested to by the many apparitions God has used her for..even to this day. She is the most loving mother of our Lord who teaches us how to pray, fast, do penance , and to become truly children of God...through the graces of the sacrifice of her Son ,Jesus.

It is through the heart of Mary , that we truly understand the Sacred and Divine in Jesus. It is through the heart of Mary.. that our Lord, Jesus received the blood that would be shed for the remission of mankinds sins.




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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
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I think there were some people who had so little faith in God to sustain them in their religion, that they felt they had to create something that was never intended, to preserve the new Christian church. The problem was, God was going to preserve it. The changes came about because of lack of faith, not a real faith in Jesus Christ.


I'm so sorry you have not been blessed with seeing the importance of the role of Mary to bring us to her Son Jesus.

God himself has chosen her to appear with messages of faith..always drawing souls to the mercy and love of her Son.

A devotion to her and an understanding to the role she plays in the story of our salvation is very important.

She is the Immaculate Heart that leads us to the Sacred Heart of Jesus...which can be attested to by the many apparitions God has used her for..even to this day. She is the most loving mother of our Lord who teaches us how to pray, fast, do penance , and to become truly children of God...through the graces of the sacrifice of her Son ,Jesus.

It is through the heart of Mary , that we truly understand the Sacred and Divine in Jesus. It is through the heart of Mary.. that our Lord, Jesus received the blood that would be shed for the remission of mankinds sins.




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Please understand, I am not Catholic. I do accept the divinity of Jesus Christ as well as His humanity. I hope I had not presented an idea that I do not believe in Jesus. I think people on here know fully well from my confession in Jesus Christ. I do not have a confession in the Catholic Church. I do not wish this to be a bashing of Catholicism, autowrench I am sure did not intend that in his question.

If you wish to believe in Shekinah as the embodiment of Mary, then I suppose that is your right to do so, but I have had a relationship with Jesus Christ personally. I think you could say I am Sola Scriptura, but that is another discussion in different threads.

People used to ask me where I go to church and I have always said I am Pentecostal, but in trying to define my faith, I am without a doubt a Christian Mystic that follows the teachings of the Pentecost experience, which many Catholics may say is Charismatic Catholics. I am not Catholic and do not have confession in the Catholic church. I suppose that does not make me an adherent to the Apostles Creed, of which I will stop confessing when it comes to the part of "I believe in the Holy Roman Catholic Church", because I do not believe in her authority, and that she is an usurper of the original faith.

I know Jesus Christ personally, and if that sounds incredulous, there are several people throughout history who make the same confession as I do. I believe all people can know Jesus Christ and do not need rites or rituals to understand Him. But there are those who do need rites and rituals, and it appears you may be one of those. But that is your way to understanding.

I cannot by good conscience of the scripture accept Mary as nothing more than the woman who gave birth to Jesus, and yes she was highly favored of God to do that. But to place her in a position of creating a statue for her, makes her nothing more than an idol. She would have disagreed with this, because she knew the prohibition of making idols to be worshiped.

Let us not have an argument over Mary, that would be unfair to her faith and purpose. The Shekinah manifested as a cloud, not as a person. God manifested as a man, Jesus Christ. His mother is she who keeps the will of God. I am sure as a man, Jesus loved and honored His mother Mary very much, but would not approve of making an idol of her when He knew the Shekinah would once again be manifested to the believers. She was and still is manifest to the believers who allow the Holy Ghost to come through worship. Peace, grace, kindness and love are Her qualities and should be expressed in the lives of the believers.

Shekinah was a cloud, that is kind of hard to express as a person in a block of stone.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Of course different denominations think differently, but I had always understood Mary whose womb contained God as being similar to the Temple containing the Shekinah instead of the Shekinah itself. Here is excerpt from the Akathist to the Theotokos service. I generally hated going to church, but I always liked this service because it seemed so cheerful.


Rejoice, Thou through whom joy will shine forth:

Rejoice, Thou through whom the curse will cease!

Rejoice, recall of fallen Adam:

Rejoice, redemption of the tears of Eve!

Rejoice, height inaccessible to human thoughts:

Rejoice, depth undiscernible even for the eyes of angels!

Rejoice, for Thou art the throne of the King:

Rejoice, for Thou bearest Him Who beareth all!

Rejoice, star that causest the Sun to appear:

Rejoice, womb of the Divine Incarnation!

Rejoice, Thou through whom creation is renewed:

Rejoice, Thou through whom we worship the Creator!

Rejoice, O Bride Unwedded!

Kontakion 1, Eighth Tone: To Thee, the Champion Leader, we Thy servants dedicate a feast of victory and of thanksgiving as ones rescued out of sufferings, O Theotokos: but as Thou art one with might which is invincible, from all dangers that can be do Thou deliver us, that we may cry to Thee: Rejoice, O Unwedded Bride!

Akathist
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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What we see in the Song of Solomon, is not just a man speaking, but a woman speaking more often. And they are speaking in very intimate terms with each other. But in this book, Solomon is speaking to only one woman, even though he had 300 wives and 700 concubines.


Solomon loved and worshipped the Goddess Sophia, it was said he placed statues of her all over his kingdom, and according to some historians, he married her, not Sheba. And the Song of Solomon? A love poem, almost porn, if you ask me. He was obviously in love.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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Solomon loved and worshipped the Goddess Sophia, it was said he placed statues of her all over his kingdom, and according to some historians, he married her, not Sheba. And the Song of Solomon? A love poem, almost porn, if you ask me. He was obviously in love.


LOL Well I will agree that he obviously was in love in this book. It is indeed almost porn, but it is very much an intimate poem and I think it should be an example of the love expressed between a husband and wife.

It is something that young people should not read without maturity and it does raise the question of what the line is regarding love and porn. If I viewed this with a mind of sexual understanding, then yes it does seem to be very much so porn, but if I viewed this with the mind of a fully mature person who has experienced intimacy, then it takes on a new meaning.

I think Christians have lost the intimacy in what they define in marriage, and I will apply this within only marriage because the approved sexual relationship in the Bible is marriage between a man and a woman who are intellectually and emotionally compatible.

I don't want Christians to think I am using this as a bully platform right now, I am not going to go into those arguments. But this really is a beautiful love poem of intimate love and not just random sexual acts that have no meaning or love. If I had a husband who said to me "I am going to love you like Solomon loved Sheba", I would be so much in love with him.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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I cannot by good conscience of the scripture accept Mary as nothing more than the woman who gave birth to Jesus, and yes she was highly favored of God to do that. But to place her in a position of creating a statue for her, makes her nothing more than an idol. She would have disagreed with this, because she knew the prohibition of making idols to be worshiped.


If she would have disagreed with it..why does she appear in so many places , and ask that we show devotion to her and her Rosary, and promise us that she will help lead us to Christ. I think it is unwise to speak for a woman who has been speaking to many throughout the centuries, and is quite clear about her role in the plan of redemption.

Idolizing is different than devotion , but I will not debate this. The time will come when the will of the living God will be made clear to all of us , and I have strong faith that the devotion He wishes for the mother of Jesus will be made clear to all souls.

While some may not find any spiritual need for the rites and rituals of the church.. I believe that the power of the Eucharist is what it was intended to be, since the moment of the last supper with Jesus and His Apostles.

It is the cleansing source of all graces that Mary speaks so fervently of in her messages.

Here are Christ's words concerning the Eucharist from the gospel of John 6 :46 to 54


[46] Not that any man hath seen the Father; but he who is of God, he hath seen the Father.

[47] Amen, amen I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life.

[48] I am the bread of life.

[49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead.

[50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven.

[52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.

[53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

[54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

[55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.


The Eucharistic celebration is something that is required through the words of Jesus Himself, and it has been reaffirmed over and over through the centuries by many Holy men and women, one of them being Mary in her apparitions.

EDIT: as far as the Shekinah , I am not choosing to believe it refers to Mary.. was just merely questioning if it could be. It sounds like a manifestation of the Holy Spirit in some form.







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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Gabby, I am not disputing the Eucharist. I take communion and know what it means, but we do not want to make this a Catholic/Protestant dispute. I can say this, I know Jesus outside of rosaries, and do not need them to seek Jesus. He speaks to me, and me to Him when I pray. If you need the rosary, then you should use them. Even Buddhists use rosaries.

We can see that the original Christians did once believe in Shekinah, the problem is that some Christians removed it. I do not know what was going through their minds when they did this, but beyond that, we need to seek God in the fullness, as much as we are allowed in this life. I am a seeker of knowledge, but knowledge that leads to truth. I cannot just say something is a truth just because someone else said it is.

Jesus said "I am the Way, I am the Truth, and I am the Life" and I want to know what He expects me to know. In Him is love and grace, and that is what we should have in us. I have only recently discovered Skekinah, even though I had Shekinah all along, I did not fully understand Her and felt guilty for not knowing. Autowrench can tell you I probably presented myself as a hardliner of what I believe, but am willing to know the God I say I follow, even if that means God reveals to me something that challenges what I believed. I had to try that spirit to see if it was indeed from God, and using the Bible as my guide, asked for truth, and received it.

Come, let us reason together, and let us learn together. Shekinah has been hidden from us for so long, let us not keep Her hidden.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

......why does she appear in so many places , and ask that we show devotion to her and her Rosary, and promise us that she will help lead us to Christ. I think it is unwise to speak for a woman who has been speaking to many throughout the centuries, and is quite clear about her role in the plan of redemption.
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Simple answer.

She is the goddess.

One day you will wake up, and realize that your religion oppresses women.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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[55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
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When will you get over that cannibalism thing.

Do you not understand how EATING someones flesh and DRINKING there blood is just a bit immoral?

Or has your religion blinded you into believing there is nothing in this symbolism??

(because you know it IS symbolism)
Before you answer....think, If I were to symbolically commit murder, or symbolically rape a woman....does that make it ok?? Since it was only symbolic??



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

......why does she appear in so many places , and ask that we show devotion to her and her Rosary, and promise us that she will help lead us to Christ. I think it is unwise to speak for a woman who has been speaking to many throughout the centuries, and is quite clear about her role in the plan of redemption.
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Simple answer.

She is the goddess.

One day you will wake up, and realize that your religion oppresses women.


She is NOT this imaginary goddess.

Does the Goddess call herself the Immaculate conception? Does the Goddess ask for prayers for the conversion of sinners? Does the Goddess point to salvation in the sacrifice of the cross?

Does the Goddess warn of the traps of satan, and show us how to combat them with the power of prayer, and the Eucharist?

Mary warns us about pagan teachings and their falsities based on lies of the devil..You really think your so called Goddess would warn against herself?

One day you will wake up when Jesus forces you to see the truth, and if you choose to deny it..it will be of your own free will and not from lack of not knowing what it is.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

......why does she appear in so many places , and ask that we show devotion to her and her Rosary, and promise us that she will help lead us to Christ. I think it is unwise to speak for a woman who has been speaking to many throughout the centuries, and is quite clear about her role in the plan of redemption.
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Simple answer.

She is the goddess.

One day you will wake up, and realize that your religion oppresses women.


I don't know about that, I am Christian and have never been oppressed in it. I have seen men who do not know the truth of the Bible nor have the Spirit oppress women. You have to address all civilizations that oppress women before making a blanket accusation.

The Bible does not endorse mistreatment of women, but we can go through history and prove those who were not Christian, how they mistreated women.

Euripides...

O God, you have married men to living engines of death. You have married them to women. Why? To perpetuate the human race? Then women were the wrong means. You should have let us donate a sum of gold or silver or copper to your holy temples, and buy our children from you. At least, we would have had value for our money and at home a life of liberty and no plague of women. (Euripides, Hippolytus: tr. Corrigan, p. 94)


Corinth...

'It is more usual for women to go forth in public with their heads covered and men with their heads uncovered,' Plutarch wrote of the Romans (Roman Questions, 267a) Corinth, a Roman colony on Greek soil, had become increasingly Greek in its traditions, including stricter veiling and seclusion of women.


Apollo...

The mother is no parent of that which is called her child, but only nurse of the newly-planted seed that grows. The parent is he who mounts. A stranger she preserves a stranger's seed, if no god interfere (Aeschylus, Eumenides; tr. Lattimore, II, 660-63)



Men and women did not eat together or share the same sleeping quarters; and men spent most of their waking hours outside the house where the wife was confined. While conversation was discouraged between husband and wife, brilliant courtesans, known as hetairai afforded better company. An older man made every effort to improve the mind and virtue of his boy-favorite, but the wife was kept in ignorance and solitude


Now these were Greeks, one of the greatest civilizations in the world. But you accuse the Bible, so we shall see what the Bible says..

I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God . . . For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man . . . Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God (1 Corinthians 11:3, 8-12)


Even though there is a headship stated, it also goes on to say that man and woman are actually equal to God.

The husband should give to his wife her conjugal right and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does. (1 Corinthians 7:3-4)


Again, another equality of husband and wife. Contrary to heathen tradition, the Christian wife had an equal right to demand the her husband forsake all extramarital unions and commit himself wholly to her. The sacred tie was to be respected by both husband and wife. So I ask again, whose religion did this?



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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No, the goddess is free of that cultist crap you call organized religion.

So sad that you are too blind to see it.

Scuttle off now to your dark corner you call hell, the rest of us will bask in the understanding, light, and oneness that can only come from understanding nature, and the great mother of the woods.

Have fun burning, I will sit peacefully with the creatures of nature, and appreciate ALL life as the energy force that it is.

You might call some of them "demons", but I will realize they are all life forces....capable of both good and bad.....
I will not Judge, I will simply continue to ask question....and work on understanding.

(good bye....judgmental christian)



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by vogon42

[55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
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When will you get over that cannibalism thing.

Do you not understand how EATING someones flesh and DRINKING there blood is just a bit immoral?

Or has your religion blinded you into believing there is nothing in this symbolism??

(because you know it IS symbolism)
Before you answer....think, If I were to symbolically commit murder, or symbolically rape a woman....does that make it ok?? Since it was only symbolic??


I suppose there are cannibals from the Pacific Islands who believe they are commanded by a deity to eat each other. They don't believe in God either.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by vogon42
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No, the goddess is free of that cultist crap you call organized religion.

So sad that you are too blind to see it.

Scuttle off now to your dark corner you call hell, the rest of us will bask in the understanding, light, and oneness that can only come from understanding nature, and the great mother of the woods.

Have fun burning, I will sit peacefully with the creatures of nature, and appreciate ALL life as the energy force that it is.

You might call some of them "demons", but I will realize they are all life forces....capable of both good and bad.....
I will not Judge, I will simply continue to ask question....and work on understanding.

(good bye....judgmental christian)


Vogon, out of respect for autowrench, I will not discuss things with you. This is his thread and I answered his question, that was all that I had to do. I explained my position and confession and said nothing untoward your faith.

Autowrench, thank you for the opportunity to allow me to speak my faith, perhaps in the future we can speak some more.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy
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I suppose there are cannibals from the Pacific Islands who believe they are commanded by a deity to eat each other. They don't believe in God either.


Well, I'm not really ready to call compare christians to pacific island cannibals. The similarity might be there.....but its a bit of a stretch at this point.

and possibly a bit offensive. (give them time, they will perhaps see the error of their ways)



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Cool, becuse I did not ask you.

This post was addressed to gabby.

Sorry if you thought it was directed at you. It was not.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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She is NOT this imaginary goddess.


Imaginary, you say? I can tell you some things you believe in that are imaginary, but now the Great Mother. Stop what you are doing and look around you. SHE provided everything you see. When you go outside, you stand on Her skin. When you start your car, you burn Her blood. When you set down to a meal grown in the dirt of the Goddess, who do you thank for it?

A Female Goddess was worshipped in EVERY Culture of the world for some 45,000 years before her gender was changed, and churches were build over Her temples, and millions of Her followers were viciously tortured and murdered in the name of your God, and Jesus, who is dead and buried, you know, but fail to accept.

From 2007:
Jesus Found Dead in His Grave





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