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"Beloved, believe not every spirit - Do not confide implicitly in everyone who professes to be under the influences of the Holy Spirit. Compare Matthew 24:4-5. The true and the false teachers of religion alike claimed to be under the influence of the Spirit of God, and it was of importance that all such pretensions should be examined. It was not to be admitted because anyone claimed to have been sent from God that therefore he was sent. Every such claim should be subjected to the proper proof before it was conceded. All pretensions to divine inspiration, or to being authorised teachers of religion, were to be examined by the proper tests, because there were many false and delusive teachers who set up such claims in the world." (NIV)
See, they all have this advice in their book, but I do not think they every really read the book. So, a Christian convert will go into the mesmerized daze I have seen many time, and invite the "Holy Spirit" to come into them. I do not believe this Spirit they call and allow themselves to be a host for to be Holy in any way whatsoever.
I, as a Christian and a Pentecostal believer, acknowledge the very serious charges made against those of our faith and recognize that you are justified, as autowrench and others, in what you say. Autowrench and I try our best to be civil and respectful toward each other and I know that through his experience it is hard for him to look beyond my faith and not see that whatever I say might be hidden agenda.
That being said..any one who says that Jesus is not the way and truth to everlasting life.. is NOT being lead by the true Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
I have not read autowrench's opening post, but his thread title says enough - he has committed the unpardonable sin, it seems. Such an idea should not even be entertained. I'm outta here...don't bother to reply...I'm not reading any more of this thread.
Now what are you trying to imply by making this topic? I really hope you are just asking the question and are not suggesting the Holy Spirit (the person of the Godhead) is an unclean spirit, to do so would be blasphemy.
That being said..any one who says that Jesus is not the way and truth to everlasting life.. is NOT being lead by the true Holy Spirit.
Shadowy Mr Big behind worldwide criminal organisation. Known variously as 'Jesus', 'Christ', 'Lord', and 'Saviour'. Persistent rumours of a brief appearance in Palestine though unknown in official records. Cult members convince themselves JC is alive today. Intelligence suggests never actually existed.
And, a little off topic, when and where did the word spirit descend to ghost? I remember hearing about the "Holy Ghost" actually, a lot more often then the title holy "spirit."
And, many who say they follow Jesus, and that he is the only truth, are not being led by the "true" Holy Spirit. And, a little off topic, when and where did the word spirit descend to ghost? I remember hearing about the "Holy Ghost" actually, a lot more often then the title holy "spirit."
Originally posted by gabby2011
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Padre Pio is an example of a person who did many things .....
The founder of Milan's Catholic University of the Sacred Heart, friar, physician and psychologist Agostino Gemelli, concluded Padre Pio was "an ignorant and self-mutilating psychopath who exploited people's credulity."[18] In short, he was accused of infractions against all three of his monastic vows: poverty, chastity and obedience.[19] Agostino Gemelli also speculated that Padre Pio kept his wounds open with carbolic acid. As a result of the Gemelli assessment, the wounds were wrapped in cloth. Despite this, the bleeding continued for some 50 years until they closed within hours of his death.[19]
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by windword
There is no difference except Ghost is of German origin and Spirit is of Latin origin...
It's sort of like saying Work (German) or Labor (Latin)
These people who believe that they are doing evil in the name of The Holy Spirit, obviously never heard Jesus talk about love. Love your enemy and do NOT resist evil.
God is LOVE and LOVE holds no records of wrong doings...
People are "scared" of what God may think of them but The Bible says that there is no fear in perfect love...
Please define "perfect" love, because I have yet to meet anyone, Christian or not, with this qualification. If there are Christians out there that have the "Holy Spirit" that you speak of, living in their heart, I have yet to meet one, online, or otherwise.
Originally posted by vogon42
Originally posted by gabby2011
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Padre Pio is an example of a person who did many things .....
Is this
The founder of Milan's Catholic University of the Sacred Heart, friar, physician and psychologist Agostino Gemelli, concluded Padre Pio was "an ignorant and self-mutilating psychopath who exploited people's credulity."[18] In short, he was accused of infractions against all three of his monastic vows: poverty, chastity and obedience.[19] Agostino Gemelli also speculated that Padre Pio kept his wounds open with carbolic acid. As a result of the Gemelli assessment, the wounds were wrapped in cloth. Despite this, the bleeding continued for some 50 years until they closed within hours of his death.[19]
the padre pio you are so enchanted with?
On 29 July 1960, an Italian monsignore, Carlo Maccari, later to become the archbishop of Ancona, began yet another investigation on behalf of Pope John XXIII and the Holy Office. The 200-page report he compiled, though never published in full, is said to be devastatingly critical. Vatican gossip long had it that the “Maccari dossier” was an insuperable obstacle to Padre Pio’s sainthood. According to official Capuchin literature, however, Maccari later recanted and prayed to Padre Pio on his deathbed
Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by gabby2011
How dare you sit in front of your keyboard, and act all high and mighty! You are not the one.
I have seen your previous posts referring to nature as gods servant.....shame.
Are Jesus and padre pio the only names you know??
Go ahead and continue to walk on and abuse the great mother of the woods, and in the end, you will get what you deserve.
Have you ever heard of your own.......saint hubert. HA.....I thought not, continue to abuse nature....the saints see your actions.
You will receive your just, in the end.
I, along with the peaceful benevolent creatures of the forest shall smile.
(don't believe you are able to hide behind your bible....the god, and goddess see all)
Are Jesus and padre pio the only names you know??
Originally posted by gabby2011
Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by gabby2011
How dare you sit in front of your keyboard, and act all high and mighty! You are not the one.
I have seen your previous posts referring to nature as gods servant.....shame.
Are Jesus and padre pio the only names you know??
Go ahead and continue to walk on and abuse the great mother of the woods, and in the end, you will get what you deserve.
Have you ever heard of your own.......saint hubert. HA.....I thought not, continue to abuse nature....the saints see your actions.
You will receive your just, in the end.
I, along with the peaceful benevolent creatures of the forest shall smile.
(don't believe you are able to hide behind your bible....the god, and goddess see all)
I have no fear, and do not need to hide behind the bible..
I hold it firmly up high.. for the Almighty to see.. along with the cross of His Son.. placed tenderly in my heart.
God bless you vogon..His mercy and love is for all of us.
Again..... Are Jesus and padre pio the only names you know??