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Russian space chief claims sabotage could be behind catalogue of recent failures - Phobos again!!

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by truthinfact
Quite frankly,

America doesn't have to sabotage Russia's space programs,

They are quite good at messing up on their own.


Well maybe but what with the ending of the shuttle NASA does not seem the force it once was. This is not a discussion on who's space program is the best. China, India & Iran are coming on strong & I applaud this. The question is who would want to stop Russia from finding out about Mars - esp. Phobos. Russia is a space superpower & pioneers in the field. I find it highly improbable that 3 missions connected to Mars would fail & other missions unconnected by & large do not. It just does not add up.




posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by digipulse
I find it highly improbable that 3 missions connected to Mars would fail & other missions unconnected by & large do not. It just does not add up.


This is the most perfect answer within this thread that i have read.

But it does add up, or else three missions would not have failed in a manner that cannot be explained by means of terrestrial interference, therefore it only leaves two avenues. One being an influence from a terrestrial point but not associated with any known human origin. Second being a direct influence from a non terrestrial point of origin. The mere fact that it happens at a so called blind spot is merely a cover story as everyone is aware that any increase in energy readings would have been picked up had it been from a terrestrial space agency program.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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I do think it is all a bit too coincidental. 2 Russian attempts to monitor phobos and 1 failed nasa attempt and of course the theory based on the phobos orbit about it having to be hollow.

But then again i am FAR from a expert on astronomy and space travel




This does however remind me of another incident where the probe was condsidered destroyed or something to that extend.I just cannot for the live of me remember the details or to which country the probe belonged to.Maybe someone that is more on the up to date on these matters can help me find it.

From what i remember and have seen.

1.it was a probe

2.I think it was nearing europa with the intention of investigating it.

3.In its very last moments it took 2 or 3 photo's showing a object nearing,The last photo showed it having a corkscrew like trajectory towards the probe and right after that nothing was ever heard or seen of the probe.

I just tried to find it again but im not having much luck,I do however remember it being much talked about and i have seen the pictures on multiple occasions.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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www.n2yo.com...

Well according to this link Grunt is still up there. Our local news is saying it crashed off the coast of Chile around the Wellington islands. Who is lying MSM or the satellite tracking ststem?



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Perhaps this.




posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Well, as the saying goes "a poor fisherman blames his tackle".

In this case, the blame the failures on someone else and not the people running it all.

Russian has serious problems with political and business corruption (154th nation in the Corruption Index). With such corrupt business practices, one can only guess at the effect this has on the Russian space programme.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by paraphi
Well, as the saying goes "a poor fisherman blames his tackle".

In this case, the blame the failures on someone else and not the people running it all.

Russian has serious problems with political and business corruption (154th nation in the Corruption Index). With such corrupt business practices, one can only guess at the effect this has on the Russian space programme.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards




Did you ever for one second pause and think...hey this is exactly how they want me to think. What i suppose you still believe there is a cold war issue happening between the U.S. and Russia...oh, you believe that both of those economies were built on faith and good will and last but not least, since your being fed to the psyops sharks at the moment, perhaps a look to the sky and remembering the International Space Station is actually funded and supported by Earths life long arch villains...hellooooo....

I can see the lights are on but nobody is home..!. Dont feel bad, there are 4billion others who think exactly like you. so cheer up...
edit on 15-1-2012 by cerebralassassins because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by cerebralassassins
Did you ever for one second pause and think...hey this is exactly how they want me to think.


Not really. You see, my life is not so full of paranoid conspiracy and I do not believe that everything that happens is necessarily the fault of (say) the US or others.

Russia has serious problems with business corruption. The problems with the Russian Space programme may well be due to problems and short-cuts in manufacturing, R&D and procurement. In other words, they are self inflicted.


Originally posted by cerebralassassins
...perhaps a look to the sky and remembering the International Space Station is actually funded and supported by Earths life long arch villains...hellooooo....


The ISS is international. Look to the history of the ISS and see how silly your statement really sounds.

Regards



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by cerebralassassins
Did you ever for one second pause and think...hey this is exactly how they want me to think.


Not really. You see, my life is not so full of paranoid conspiracy and I do not believe that everything that happens is necessarily the fault of (say) the US or others.

Russia has serious problems with business corruption. The problems with the Russian Space programme may well be due to problems and short-cuts in manufacturing, R&D and procurement. In other words, they are self inflicted.


Originally posted by cerebralassassins
...perhaps a look to the sky and remembering the International Space Station is actually funded and supported by Earths life long arch villains...hellooooo....


The ISS is international. Look to the history of the ISS and see how silly your statement really sounds.

Regards



Ill keep that in mind next time i view the ISS and see its core structural schematics based on two space programs, as for the international aspect of it all, well to me its simply politics, nothing more nothing less.

By the way do you remember last time the media went on a frenzy on a supposed emergency evacuation of the ISS, do you remember what and how the evacuation procedures were handled ? , not that i am a paranoid conspiracy tin foil nut job, but can you remember which media outlets were delivering the news and from there how it was being filtered through the t.v., radio, newspaper, web.

The ISS and make no mistake regardless of what you read or have been reading was originally designed as a military prototype space platform by the two super powers. In the not to distant future and possibly in our life time we will see a new single super power emerging for this ISS program. This may all read to you as mumbo jumbo but the same was being said back in the fifty's regarding russia and america in an arms agreement over icbm's.

Today, we have both nations openly discussing reducing stock pile but retaining the ability to defend itself. That so called missile shield has nothing to do with russia but rather a greater threat that hasn't been introduced as a hostile threat to the u.s. household nor the average russian household. But in due time, it will and it wont be smoke and mirrors as it poses nuclear capabilities and more than likely there will be a limited but definitely lethal exchange of firepower. This is why i keep pointing to drones and space platforms as they are and will become the front line of defense against any international threat.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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If it is sabotage, plausible motive is not terribly difficult to imagine. The ability to interfere with space craft would have to be a high priority for any forward thinking military power.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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This would be a good way for TPTB to have disclosure upon the sheeple of the world and to also unite them as one against a common threat...as manufactured as it may be.

Scenario A - The US is sabotaging Russian efforts to get to Phobos because they know what is there and they are not allowing them the right to find out aswell.

Scenario B - The US is sabotaging Russian efforts to get to Phobos because the US cant afford to get there so will stop others from getting there first.

Scenario C - Evil despicable aliens are sabotaging Russian efforts to get to Phobos while Russians craft is above the USA to frame the USA for the sabotage thus forcing on a WW3 scenario so they can them come in afterwards and clean up the left overs.

Scenario D - TPTB are sabotaging Russian efforts to get to Phobos. NASA will "investigate" and have a media launch together with the russian space agency and both presidents Obama and Putin to declare that "dirty rotten grey reptilian aliens" are taking aggressive action against earths inhabitants and stopping their right to explore the cosmos. This will be taken as an act of war should it happen again.

USA will shoot down a fake "alien craft" loaded with mutated genetically inbred south texan rednecks affected by fukushima radiation. Obama will shove his hand up the backside of one of these "pilots" and make it look like he is interrogating them personally with his ventriliquist skills.

They will say "we want to kill all humans".....

Russia and USA to sign a bilateral treaty to ensure global security against the aliens.

TPTB begin shooting down airliners with satellite laser weapons in orbit.

China comes on board as does India to this global security anti-ET council.

The Dark Night arrives with lights all over the place...fake aliens flying around shooting at people....

Global Governnance gets rushed in for the sake of world security.


Many ways to spin this tale dependant on who is doing the spinning and the cause.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by cerebralassassins
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Perhaps this.






Thank you for that but that is is not it,I have seen the shots in the video.The strange thing is ,what i described is something i ran into regularly just a few years ago,photo's and talk.I dont know how to describe it any better then in my previous post and i wish i could .



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