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Iran Leader's mask falls off yet again - who's bullying who now?

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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AL Jazeera


Mohammad Ali Khatibi, Iran's OPEC envoy. "If the oil production nations on the Persian Gulf decide to substitute Iran's oil, then they will be held responsible for what happens."


Iran is ruled under a repressive regime, .ed by the delusional turbanned persian infidel leader who thinks he is god-on-earth, a sin of idolatory against the very grains of Islam. Nothing spoken outside is allowed from him. His OPEC envoy had just mouth another threat to his arab neighbours. So who is bullying who now?

Just because others had decided on their OWN FREE WILL not to buy oil from Iran, but the other neighbours who have oil are willing on their OWN FREE WILL to make up the shortfall, these neighbours deserved to be threatened?

Why others are not buying from Iran is simply because of its duplicities over the nuke programme, and if it was willing to come clean without delay TO the negotiating table and fully free IAEA safety oversight inspections, this affair of threats and counter threats would be dissolved. The world seeks for no war.

But no, that delusional god-on-earth, hell bent on world domination, even funding and supporting murders of innocents - both muslims and non-muslims - another sin againsts the tenets of Islam, refuses to listen and wishes for war. There can be no other god than ALLAH. Using His name and words to fool others is Apostasy of the highest order!

This infidel certainly wont be in the forefront of any battles, preferring the hidden cloak and dagger games such destablization of worldwide nations, murders, chaos, and suchlike, but it will be the many of humanity that will die inorder that he sees his ambitions realized.

He is only a mortal, and not even a muslim. No muslim would order for the murder innocents by the thousands over the years. No muslim would bully his neighbour, more so one a leader of a muslim state. Many muslims, even here, had been ignorantly supporting him. - shias or sunnis They must be spared for they knew not what they did. The only one to be held for justice and for smearing Islam is him.




posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Not totally sure what you are getting at, but those are some contradictory statements.


Just because others had decided on their OWN FREE WILL not to buy oil from Iran, but the other neighbours who have oil are willing on their OWN FREE WILL to make up the shortfall, these neighbours deserved to be threatened?

"OWN FREE WILL" seriously... ?

So it just happens to be that any nation denying oil imports from Iran is either a dictatorship installed the US, or a nation that has something to gain by "sucking up" to the same agreement as the US sanctions (hello sarkozy).


But no, that delusional god-on-earth, hell bent on world domination, even funding and supporting murders of innocents - both muslims and non-muslims


Where have you been? I assume it's ok for the US to fund weapons imports to Bahrain so it can murder it's own civilians right? There is no intervention and the US continues to support the Bahraini dictatorship. The US is funding murder of innocents - both muslims and non-muslims, not just in Bahrain, but all around the world.

Israel continues to murder civilians on the gaza strip, palestinians... children, adults, families. These weapons used by Israel are the event of the US giving insane amounts of funds to the Israeli government.

So in essence we have the US behind extremist dictatorship's and apartheid regimes. Yet Iran is the bully?

You have still yet to point out how Iran is bullying anyone.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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you say the world doesn't want war yet the braiwashed masses like you are happy to fan the flames.perhaps if everyone followed the rule of what we do in our country is our buisness rather than supporting the corporate machine to rule the world as one entity everyone would then get on fine.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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The fact is, US troops are ready to attack Iran. Iran will off course defend themself. Who is bullying who?? Well, just look at the facts, who is in who´s backyard, dictating who to do what they are told, or else??



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
You have still yet to point out how Iran is bullying anyone.

They do a really good job of bullying their own citizens.
Human Rights and Democracy for Iran - Human Rights Violations in Iran
The 1988 Massacre of Political Prisoners in Iran - A quest for Justice
1988 executions of Iranian Political Prisoners
Interview with Iranian Poltiical Prisoner
Iran executes 5 poltiical prisoners - Amnesty International

Amnesty International on Tuesday condemned the executions in Iran of four Kurdish political activists and another Iranian man, all convicted of "moharebeh" (enmity against God).

The four Kurds – Farzad Kamangar, Ali Heydarian, Farhad Vakili, Shirin Alam-Holi - along with Mehdi Eslamian, were hanged on Sunday, 9 May at Evin prison in Tehran. The five were accused of "enmity against God" for carrying out "terrorist acts" and convicted of this vaguely worded charge which can carry the death penalty and is usually applied to those who take up arms against the state.

"We condemn these executions which were carried out without any prior warning. Despite the serious accusations against them, the five were denied fair trials. Three of the defendants were tortured and two forced to 'confess' under duress," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's Director for the Middle East and North Africa.

"They were then executed in violation of Iranian law, which requires the authorities to notify prisoners' lawyers.in advance before carrying out executions."


'Enmity against God" .... :shk: Gawd, set the calendar back a thousand years!

Surge of Secret Executions for Drug Offenses in Iran Must End - Amnesty International

Hand and Foot Amputation in Shiraz: A Man’s Foot and Another Man’s Hand Were Amputated for Alleged Robberies

International Human Rights Organizations' Reports on Human Rights Abuses in Iran

Human Rights in Iran - Iranian Human Rights Abuses

Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are sometimes subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.

Religious Expression: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a religious institution with no secular concept of law. Those who convert from Islam to another faith may face execution for apostasy. Religious minorities are routinely subject to widespread persecution.

Women's Rights: In Iran, women can vote and run for Parliament and are not prohibited from traveling freely, but they are also subject to police beatings and torture for violating perceived social norms, are not protected from domestic violence, and are discriminated against in other subtle ways (such as inheritance law


Iran Bans National Geographic Publications

Iran: Academic Sentenced to 5 Years Jail
It was originally DEATH for 'blasphemy' ... but students rose up against it.

Philosopher is Enemy of the State in Iran

Abdolkarim Soroush is on of Iran's best-known intellectuals - and he is also considered an enemy of the state in Iran because of his ideas regarding the relationship between religion, government, and science. According to Soroush, science cannot progress very well or very far under totalitarian regimes - more interestingly, perhaps, is the his addition that this is an Islamic, not a Western, perspective.

Iranian boy l ashed for breaking ramadan fast .. he died
Iranian police violenty disperse crowd celebrating international womens day
Victims of Iranian 'Justice'

There is no room in revolutionary courts for defense lawyers because they keep quoting laws to play for time."



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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The Sanctions are an act of war. The US and the owners of the Banks aka Israel are attempting to back Iran into a corner.

The Iranians are the ones being bullied by cutting off their source of income and subsequently crashing their currency the RIAL.

The Europeans have some degree of sanity left and have actually delayed the embargo which would only escalate matters as well as raising the price of EVERYTHING.

Israel is not a member of the IAEA and possesses nukes whereas IRAN is a member of IAEA and according to CIA . Panetta Iran does not possess a nuclear weapon.

I cannot believe that this fear campaign of another nation gaining possession of a supposed nuke is being used once again to attempt to provoke another preemptive and Unconstitutional War.

After what transpired recently in Libya I do not feel that those are threats but more words of prophecy for what is likely to befall the middle eastern oil rich nations overall.

Does anyone realize what skyrocketing oil prices as a result of war will do to an already weak economy ?


Peace



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
You have still yet to point out how Iran is bullying anyone.


Open your eyes if you have them and really LOOK around. Just on my opening thread is a newsource related to this thread by Al Jazeera, not CNN, fox media, etc, even if you wish to be blind to other reports of that delusional god-on-earth wannabe iranian leader atrocities.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by nh_ee

The Sanctions are an act of war. The US and the owners of the Banks aka Israel are attempting to back Iran into a corner.



Just by your opening line already PROVENED how brainwashed you are.

1. Sanctions are NOT acts of war. If they are, then you will only be admitting that the shopkeer whom you had not been buying products from because he offended you in some way HAS the right to shoot you dead next time you pass by.

2. NO ONE backed that despical d*g on earth of an iranian leader into a corner. He only backed himself by REFUSING to come clean on his dubious nuke programme to the world, which resulted in this boycott.

Please do not be further manipulated by that infidel. This is serious sh*t.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Iran’s oil production is already 100% sold, committed to China and India.

This is the problem, the Saudis and America had wanted to put a squeeze on China in order to raise the cost to China. Iran stepped in and made a deal, thwarting the strangle hold the Saudis were trying to create.

Al Jazeeza is broadcast from the United Arab Emirates, and is nothing more than an Arabia language propaganda machine.

Another problem that is being created is China is now wanting to renegotiate its contract with Iran, believing that the tensions and sanctions have created a “Buyers” market and China is demanding a discount, which Iran is so far refusing.

What this statement is about is Iran is sticking to the deal, China wants a discount and the Saudis are in position to get Chinas business back. Iran is saying that if the Saudis try to undermine their business, bla, bla, bla…

The biggest export of the US is the dollar.

Anytime the dollar is threatened from losing its position as the “Petro dollar” you will see WAR.

The Saudis have committed that the US Dollar will always be the “Petro Dollar’

Every action in the Middle East is the direct result of the Saudi / US coalition trying to maintain the control of the Global Oil Market.

Israel is only the distraction, to keep everyone from looking at Saudi Arabia.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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I can appreciate the citation you chose to use. To me it highlights that economic security transcends religion, culture, geopolitics, etc. & epitomizes action (or rhetoric) reflective of self-preservation.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Just by your opening line already PROVENED how brainwashed you are.

1. Sanctions are NOT acts of war. If they are, then you will only be admitting that the shopkeer whom you had not been buying products from because he offended you in some way HAS the right to shoot you dead next time you pass by.

2. NO ONE backed that despical d*g on earth of an iranian leader into a corner. He only backed himself by REFUSING to come clean on his dubious nuke programme to the world, which resulted in this boycott.

Please do not be further manipulated by that infidel. This is serious sh*t.

Then when Iran threatened to block the straights of Hormuz, just taking away one thing from the Empire we state it will be an act of war?

When sanctions are placed upon an entire country it is not the same as a boycott. It is an Empire flexing its muscles and trying to collapse a country by not allowing goods it needs to stay viable is an act of war. It is what caused the Japanese to attack Pear Harbor (was not even part of the USA at the time) and we still make such a big deal about it being a sneak attack when it was created by the USA.

The USA, my country cares only for big business and banking. It has become an evil empire...wake up for the we are doing the same thing we did in Iraq. Rattle those chains to get the people to give it support.

If we let this happen again, going to war on a nation that has not attacked us or our allies, then the American people will be no different than the people of Germany in 1939.

We have become the problem.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Then when Iran threatened to block the straights of Hormuz, just taking away one thing from the Empire we state it will be an act of war?

When sanctions are placed upon an entire country it is not the same as a boycott. It is an Empire flexing its muscles and trying to collapse a country by not allowing goods it needs to stay viable is an act of war. It is what caused the Japanese to attack Pear Harbor (was not even part of the USA at the time) and we still make such a big deal about it being a sneak attack when it was created by the USA.



1. Threatening to close the straits of hormuz IS AN ACT OF WAR. Those are not iranian waters, but international waters from time immemorial, regardless how you wish to argue over it. They DO NOT belong to Iran.

It's like closing up that public street to your home by your neighbour. Are you gonna just let it slide or call the cops on your neighbour?

2.Trade begins at home. A nation exists because of families and economy of a nation exists from a home. A boycott is a boycott by any other name. There is no need to complicate the issue with further labels and designations. There is no one word for the home and another word meaning different for the nation. A boycott in your neighbourhood's shop is the same as a free nation on its own free will deciding NOT to buy from someone else.

The critical issue is NOT the boycott itself. Boycott is only a reaction from something else. And that iranian leader understands fully what that issue is. No need of any further whitewashing by anyone.

3. Your ignorance of the 1942 incident compells me not to discuss it here for it will only derail the thread.

4. NO ONE is ATTACKING Iran today, lets get it clear. And Iran WILL NOT BE ATTACKED so long as it keeps clear of further provocations by deeds, lessen its insane rhetoric of threats to everyone else, and come to its senses


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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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sanctions are an act of war.
only, they make it sound as 'diplomatic pressure' because it looks better on the PR side and imprints an aura of fairness on the proponent.
also, don't forget that such sanctions are backed by a formidable military force (usa+nato), and by this very reason the argument you proposed of a worldwide citizen's boycott on a unethical -- or polluting or wahtever -- company is moot. Unless such citizens are mafiosos telling you to buy bologna from their friends and not 'from that other guy', under gunpoint threats.

What we must think about the sanctions are the limits which one nation will be able to cope. They've been under embargo of several commodities and especially military grade gear, not to mention other forms of political pressure, and, althought being hurt by these they've been kicking the can down the road. so far.

But it seems, obviously, that to extend the embargo to their most fundamental livelyhood will become the breaking point. I do not think of them, in terms of a nation, as being idiots; thus, they are probably very aware that an attack on US forces is suicidal (no first strike policy) but when desperation hits bottom, it may be their only chance. Perhaps just to go on a boom and save a little face while leaving at least one black eye on their aggressors, on their way to the morgue... and i suppose, US' military brass is concerned if a pair of sunglasses will conceal their bruises or not.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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We can argue all day on your belief that closing down something one doesnt own is right or wrong till the cows come home.

But the fundamental truth still lays in the fact that boycotts, or sanctions, or whatever presumptions and conditions you wish to imposed on it, are only a DIRECT REACTION to something else. No sane person will just impose, or if even capable of, to impose an action that is free will based upon another, no matter the speculations made by you upon.

Such measures are to bring about a sense of loss and pain, BUT WITHOUT invoking violence such as wars, so that one or the many wakes up and realizes that there is a problem to be resolved, equally WITHOUT violence.

The one whom resort to violence will be one at wrong, if lives are lost.

Thus, I have to repeat the point yet again - resolve the root of the problem - Iran comming clean on the nuke issue, and through honest and sincere discussions/debates to come to a common ground in a world we mankind share, there will be no need of further threats, belligerances and fears to the masses.

Unless, of course, that d*g-on-earth perfers to annihilate anyone or nations whom gets in his way to absolute domination and slavery of mankind.

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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You are scraping the barrel there, and that doesn't really counter the idea that Iran is NOT a bully.

Iran has laws in place just like any other country. Things would be preferred without capital punishment, but the US is no better as it continually executes people in the same fashion as Iran might do so.

This was not about the "bullying" of a minority of it's own citizens.

What has Iran executing a person on it's own soil for breaking "the law" got anything to do with Iran BULLYING other nations?

How about a few recent events;
Have you ever heard of Troy Davis? Bradley Manning? Garry McKinnon? Julian Assange?
These are all people who are effectively being punished and bullied worldwide because the US feels that it can. there are many human rights abuses taken against all of these people's names.

The thing is that Iran keeps to itself. It does not dictate the entire world's population for the sake of corporate greed.

You really want to take humanitarian rights into perspective? I'll just leave you with this. This one link alone is the most disgusting breaches of human rights and dignity any nation could have performed in recent times.
www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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you've just posited a perfect argument, and i couldn't agree more.
That said, we on this board, will keeping arguing if these REACTIONS are legitimate or not.
And, being ATS, naturally we'll go on a step further and inquire and try to find the subtext under the current context.
and that's a good discussion to have.


ps don't over-read the use of capitalization. it's just a way to highlight your main word, no ill-will intended.

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actually


The one whom resort to violence will be one at wrong, if lives are lost


i do not concur with this piece of your prose. I really maintain my position that the sanctions itself are an act of war, without blood and gore, violentless, but still the first aggression -- prelude.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by InsideYourMind
You have still yet to point out how Iran is bullying anyone.


Open your eyes if you have them and really LOOK around. Just on my opening thread is a newsource related to this thread by Al Jazeera, not CNN, fox media, etc, even if you wish to be blind to other reports of that delusional god-on-earth wannabe iranian leader atrocities.
edit on 15-1-2012 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)


The article on Al Jazeera does not mention Iran BULLYING other nations at all... you added that yourself as an opinion as treated your own opinion as if it was fact.

Iran has every right to tell it's trade partners to not give into US demands. The US has no business in the region as has no role whatsoever in determining the fate of these countries. The warning from Iran is one of common sense, if a nation is willing to give into US demands A.K.A BULLYING them to stop buying oil, then it is a bad thing for both Iran and the nation in question.

Besides, my eyes are open. I can see what is going on as should anyone be able to. If you really believe all the rhetoric that Iran is a threat and a promoter of terror you had just aswell dive to the bottom of the pacific and sleep with the fishes for eternity.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
reply to post by FlyersFan
 


You are scraping the barrel there, and that doesn't really counter the idea that Iran is NOT a bully.

Iran has laws in place just like any other country. Things would be preferred without capital punishment, but the US is no better as it continually executes people in the same fashion as Iran might do so.

This was not about the "bullying" of a minority of it's own citizens.

What has Iran executing a person on it's own soil for breaking "the law" got anything to do with Iran BULLYING other nations?

How about a few recent events;
Have you ever heard of Troy Davis? Bradley Manning? Garry McKinnon? Julian Assange?
These are all people who are effectively being punished and bullied worldwide because the US feels that it can. there are many human rights abuses taken against all of these people's names.

The thing is that Iran keeps to itself. It does not dictate the entire world's population for the sake of corporate greed.

You really want to take humanitarian rights into perspective? I'll just leave you with this. This one link alone is the most disgusting breaches of human rights and dignity any nation could have performed in recent times.
www.dailymail.co.uk...


Iran keeps to itself? You do know why Iran is hated throught out the mid-east and africa do you not? Let me give you a hint, its because they spent decades trying export the revolution through methods that created what we view as modern terrorism. Iran has been involved in the great game for a long time, they were just out played by everybody else.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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"2. NO ONE backed that despical d*g on earth of an iranian leader into a corner. He only backed himself by REFUSING to come clean on his dubious nuke programme to the world, which resulted in this boycott. "

The the "world"..lol.. 114 nations support Irans "nuke" program. Meaning they have more supporters than not. When wolf dumpster says Iran is defying "the world", it's a boldface inflated lie.

The "enemy", so called, that Iran is supposed to represent.. exists ONLY in your .. Dont trust strangers to define other strangers as your enemy... decide for yourself based on personal experience.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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here's my thing, if you don't like the country you live in, get up and leave, start walking, kick rocks and hoof it. Don't say it's impossible, Moses walked for 40 years with his homies and they were fine. If you don't like another country then get up and do something about it, talk is cheap. Either take action or keep talking. If you have a bleeding heart worried about other less developed countries then leave your nice home and technology behind and go to that country and live with them and do something instead of talking and sharing pointless views and opinions. Know your limits and accept them, biggest one being our own inability to leave behind the hypocritical lifestyle we all live.
Stop acting like the messiah, it's not cute.



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