UK Horse Mutilations - What's Going On?, page 1
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Topic started on 15-1-2012 @ 05:12 AM by Gordi The Drummer
There have been a couple of rather disturbing animal mutilation cases in the UK recently, both involving the deaths of horses.

One occurred in Carmarthen, Wales, on Jan 5th, and one in Cornwall, England on Jan 8th/9th.

Here are news reports of the two cases:
Horse and Hound report of Case1
BBC report of Case 2

This next article links the two killings together, and speculates that there may be a “satanic” link.

Article linking the two cases from Dailymail

Although it is suggested that they may be linked to a satanic festival “St Winebolds Day”, neither attack actually took place on that date (7th Jan), and there is serious doubt as to whether that date even holds any significance to Satanists at all.

Strangely, police are now apparently saying that the horse in the Carmarthen case died of natural causes???

See this BBC article here

They are NOT carrying out a criminal investigation, even though “Both of his eyes had been gouged out, his stomach slit open, an ear cut off and his genitals removed.” Earlier reports also suggested that the horses’ mouth had been “slit” and that his internal organs had been removed.

Is it just me?

How does a horse, who has died of “natural causes” (at the age of 7??) sustain all of these injuries, in a country where there are no large predators to speak of?
How does it get cut open? (The owner described it as being slit open all along the stomach “like with a very sharp knife”.)

Are the authorities saying that the animal died naturally, then on the exact same night a passer by happened to notice that it was dead... and decided to open it up, remove its internal organs, its lips, its ears, its genitals etc? And that this is not an offense under UK law?
Or that some scavenging animal (fox? Rats?) did this? Cutting the stomach open and removing organs... slicing the ears off etc??

Does this make any sense to you guys?

The description of the removal of eyes, ears, internal organs, genitals etc reminded me very much of the cattle mutilation cases which were being reported over the last few years.
(Although referred to as “cattle mutilations” many attacks also occurred on other animals including horses.)

According to Wikipedia, the “typical” traits of these cattle mutilation cases are:


“The removal of eyes, udders and sexual organs very cleanly with surgical precision. The removal of the anus to a depth of around 12 inches similar in appearance to surgical coring. The removal of the lips and/or tongue deeply cut out from the throat. The removal of one ear. The removal of major organs (such as heart or liver) with no obvious entry/excision marks. Often, if the heart is missing, apart from no excision wound, the Pericardium will still be present and intact, with the heart missing. The stripping of hide and flesh from the jaw and the area directly beneath the ear to the bone. The removal of soft organs from the lower body. The presence of incisions and cuts across the body that appear to have been made by a surgical instrument. Unexplained damage to remaining organs, but no sign of damage to the surrounding area. A lack of predation signs (including teethmarks, tearing of the skin or flesh, or animal footprints) on or around the carcass. Lack of obvious scavenging. In many cases, a draining of the majority of blood from the animal. What blood is left exhibits color anomalies and may not coagulate for days. The animal will appear 'dumped' or dropped in a secluded area, with no animal, human or vehicle track(s) leading to or from the site. Some have been found draped over fences or in treetops. The ground under the animal appears depressed, as if the animal was dropped on the site from a height leaving an impact crater. The animal's bones found to be fractured with injuries consistent with being dropped. Strange marks/holes in the ground around the carcass. Other cattle avoid the carcass and the area where it's found. Eyewitness reports of aerial objects in the vicinity of cattle at the time of an animal going missing”


There are definitely quite a few similarities between that list and these two horse mutilation cases, although some points do seem to be at odds (e.g. lots of blood at the scene instead of blood being drained).

It’s all very confusing.

I find it hard to believe that the authorities aren’t investigating this further, unless of course, they know EXACTLY what’s going on?

I don’t think that it’s “natural causes” or “satanic rituals” personally.

What does the ATS community think?


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 05:20 AM by BeforeTooLong
reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


People always seem to jump to the Satanist connection with things like this.
Sure it’s possible but it could be any old sicko with a knife.
If the mutilations are as precise as described it’s clearly a person.. Let’s just hope if there is another horse that it gives them a big kick in the groin.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 05:26 AM by Gordi The Drummer
Originally posted by BeforeTooLong
reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


People always seem to jump to the Satanist connection with things like this.
Sure it’s possible but it could be any old sicko with a knife.
If the mutilations are as precise as described it’s clearly a person.. Let’s just hope if there is another horse that it gives them a big kick in the groin.


Absolutely!
Is it just some random nutjobs then?
or is there some point to the mutilations being done?



reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 05:31 AM by BeforeTooLong
reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


I doubt there is any purpose.. It seems no different to me then say a serial killer, firebug or things of that nature.
Probably just doing it for the thrill or something.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 08:09 AM by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by Kester


One of the articles that I looked at in relation to these horse mutilations (can't remember if it was one that I linked to) said that there were two "puncture marks" on the horses neck. They were speculating that the horse had been "tasered" to stun it prior to the attack, but surely a taser wouldn't leave puncture marks visible on a horse??

Did anyone read about the human mutilation case from Brazil?

Same MO as these horse/cattle ones... missing eye, ear, genitals, rectum etc
But, because it was a human victim, a post mortem exam was carried out, and they discovered that he died of heart failure brought on by EXTREME PAIN. They did the procedures whilst the guy was STILL ALIVE. He basically died of shock from the pain.

I'll try and find a link...

Here it is, but PLEASE NOTE IT CONTAINS SOME VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES OF THE MANS' REMAINS.
(Please use extreme discretion when deciding whether to view this)
LINK to Human Mutilation Case VERY GRAPHIC

This human case has been "dismissed" as a hoax, but this is not strictly true.
The man was definitely killed by removing his eye, ear, rectum, genitals etc

The majority of people think that the case is unrelated to the cattle mutilations, and that it was done as some kind of revenge killing, but that part of the "story" has been expanded to imply that the whole episode was hoaxed.
It was not.


reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 09:33 AM by Kester
Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by Kester


One of the articles that I looked at in relation to these horse mutilations (can't remember if it was one that I linked to) said that there were two "puncture marks" on the horses neck. They were speculating that the horse had been "tasered" to stun it prior to the attack, but surely a taser wouldn't leave puncture marks visible on a horse??


It could have been a home made stun weapon with prongs. Horses can move faster than a human can process thought. Barbed prongs could keep the connection long enough to have the desired effect.

As for the rest of it.... I bet those investigators had a few interesting dreams.
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