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Ron Paul has already lost!

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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Well, I for one hope you are wrong and it is not over for Paul yet. I am a Canadian, and have enjoyed listening to his speeches and hopes for Americas future. I may not hold true the opinion of all of us north of the border, but everyone I talk to here who follows your politics absolutely wish Ron Paul becomes your next POTUS. From what we see, most of your former presidents all work for the same people and end up implementing the same policies and ideas, no matter their running platform or party.

Isn't Obamas administration full of past employees from Goldman Sachs, Monsanto and other top American corporations? Does Romney not have the most corporate funds for his campaign? Do you see anything being different here? American policies are bought and sold by the highest bidders. Most of the world sees this, we just wish most Americans did as well.

Even your closest allies and best friends up here think you are world wide bullies. We may not be as vocal about it, being long standing neighbours, but when most here are asked, they despise your foreign actions and policies. Is it going to take the collapse of your nation for you to get off of this bandwagon? Paul seems to be the only candidate addressing this that I see, and admitting that a collapse is inevitable.

And then there is the Federal Reserve. Wow. I do think back to JFK sometimes and see similarities between him and Paul (let the flames begin lol). If he continues to make waves and open the eyes of the populace, and is not shot down by the controlled media and voting practices of TPTB, I am frightened that his fate may be sealed as Kennedy's was.

Anyway, rant over. Not trying to flame anyone or start any kind of heated arguments. Just wanted to give insight as to, what I believe, we are seeing and interpreting outside of your borders. Paul is the only candidate who will make change for you and bring the country to a better, and more universally respected, nation. Hope Americans see what is happening and make the right decisions here. Your elections and policies affect our country intimately, so we are all hoping you make the right decisions for this important election!




posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by stirling
Yer lookin at four years of rule direct from Kolob should Romney get in.....
Theres something sinister about that whole bunch......
If not Ron then, revolution.....
The last of the honourable military should come down on the bankers and crooked politicians, and war criminals and arreest the whole lot....
That would go a long ways to restoring the average americans faith in their govt, and military
Perhaps they could see about getting back some of the tens of trillions the fed ripped us off for too......


There will be no revolution, stop deluding yourself.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Ron Paul is our only slim chance to change what is happening. I find this quote most aptly describes America today.

"When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed." -- Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged"

If this doesn't ring true to everyone no matter what your ideology about the government corruption, complicit with the bankers and hedge funds then there's really no hope.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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star and flag to OP for being able to think for yourself...

i find it funny, that NOT ONE ron paul supporter in this thread stepped up and condemned the statement of military intervention...

NOT ONE,,,

All of you defended it, saying 'we only what them to get the bad guys'...

HELLO?

The majority is not with you... You get deluded into thinking the majority is with you, because sites like this have appeared to become ron paul fan clubs, however, a majority of americans DO NOT agree with you.. not even close..



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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There are probably more Ron Paul supporters, proportionately, than there were people who supported independence in 1772.

Change is already here. If people want to live in 1984 they can just keep voting for it. I'd rather live in 1776.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by hadriana
I'd rather live in 1776.



Are you serious?
So Ron Paul does indeed want to take our country back 200 years? Damn, no thanks. You go die at 25 and leave your slaves to your kids. I would rather live in the 21st century and fix it than follow nuts back in time.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Littikani
 



I know what happens next. 20 #ing posters all spam my ass and by taking the time to respond to all of you, next you will be counting my posts in this thread and calling me a troll for posting so much.


Umm nice try bub but you're already spamming the thread and we are not stupid we see what you are doing using this as an excuse to keep spamming.


There is one little problem with your assertion.

ANYONE THAT CAN READ CAN SEE I WAS RIGHT.
I wrote one post in this thread that was not a response to someone posting to me.

ONE POST.
So again

I know what happens next. 20 #ing posters all spam my ass and by taking the time to respond to all of you, next you will be counting my posts in this thread and calling me a troll for posting so much.


Is exactly what happened and you even try to do it right after I call it?


Is this how all Ron Paul fans are? Are there any honest and polite ones anywhere? I was looking for them. You think people cannot see that all my posts are responses to nuts spamming me?


OK, if you are going to lie in the future you should try things people cannot just look at and see.



And I am another one that is glad you are scared of Ron Paul supporters you should be because they are people if action!


THAT IS INCREDIBLY STUPID.

Why don't you want me to support Ron Paul? I do not get why you want me to be afraid of him. That will never get him elected to anything ever. How hard a concept is this for you guys?


They scare the hell out of the establishment.


Anyone that threatens murder and assault for a difference of opinion scares me and it has nothing to do with being establishment.


Oh and in case you hadn't heard they already passed a law allowing military to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without trial so to try and act like Ron Paul supporters are scary in that regard is the height of ridiculousness. 12ers....sigh!


Big difference between being arrested and killed.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
They are a rare breed, but they do exist. You just have to seek them out, ask questions in private and hope for the best.



Big problem there is want. You would be amazed at what having my head bashed in for questioning Ron Paul has done to me WANTING to learn more about him and actively seek out the rare breed that can speak nicely about it. Ron Paul already lost.


Asking questions about Ron Paul is dangerous unless you're willing to throw in bits of praise and supplication as you do so... It's an art of sorts. I have completely lost the knack, but it doesn't matter anymore. I can get my questions answered elsewhere.


I wish these people would get that. I came to ATS with the idea that Ron Paul was probably the best of the bunch but there was a lot I was not sure about. Now, I am most definitely certain that I do not like the people that support him, how they act, and what they have to say. Ron Paul fans took me from being on the fence to shoving me off of it on the other side completely.

Now if a single one of them can tell me how this is going to help him win I might be all turned around. Otherwise I think I am done TRYING. Now, I just feel like responding and Ron Paul can go lose for all I care. I have no reason to root for the man. I have not heard one good reason to support him. What I have heard is "# YOU, go vote for Romney then."
Well ok!



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Likud,

Its obvious what you are doing. You are attacking spinning and taking stuff out of context while putting words in peoples mouths. Im supprised you have not been atleast PM'd by a mod yet. You are trying to get strong reactions from people, then attempting to turn it against them.

You have not made one attempt to discuss this intelligently at all without attacking or distorting.

People are honestly afraid about the state of our country. Corruption and special intrest have a strangle hold on our system. Coorperations are buying politicians and making laws (Patriot Act and NDAA) This can not continue. Out of ALL the candidates there is only ONE who wants to stop exactly what I just said and its Ron Paul.

I pray every day for the people that live in the countrys we are attacking, I pray every day our Military comes home safe and never have to kill another person. We need to restore hour honor to people around the world.

What kind of world do you want to live in ?



Originally posted by Littikani

Originally posted by hadriana
I'd rather live in 1776.



Are you serious?
So Ron Paul does indeed want to take our country back 200 years? Damn, no thanks. You go die at 25 and leave your slaves to your kids. I would rather live in the 21st century and fix it than follow nuts back in time.

edit on 15-1-2012 by WhereAreTheGoodguys because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Littikani

Originally posted by Bonkrh
reply to post by Littikani
 


makes more sense than you saying ron paul fans scare you. not our fault you dont agree with a chance for a better country


Nope. You said you want the troops to come back home to start killing Americans.

Yeah that is some scary ass #. If that is representative of Ron Paul fans, then they are some scary #. I will leave you all to decide how to further make yourselves look bad, thanks. This was fun.


You are disingenuous. The original comment said bring the troops home and come down on the bankers and politicians and "arrest" the whole lot.

There is a very big difference between arrest and kill is there not?

Many Ron Paul supporters can see the truth staring us in the face while many others still wish to ignore it but the fact is:

We have criminals who run this country. And until these criminals are held accountable for their crimes the system will only become more evil and twisted.

The bankers betting on both sides of everything creating debt out of thin air then holdongcyou accountable for it while they get bailouts and assest grabs. Politicians using insider trading to become hundred millionaires.

Just as sure as a spade is a spade these people are the perpetraders of nephitism and corruption. The slave masters never left they just hide behind their corporations with tax exempt status atop mount olympus dictating policy.

See until their is only one Rulebook for everyone we have crap. Unfortunately we are rapidly evolving the other direction: a fascist dictatorship with nothing but big businesses political puppets.

Ron Paul supporters scare you?

Probably because it takes balls and integrity to say their is a serious problem and we need drastic change.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by BLKMJK
LOL! Yeah, there is nothing to defend, just as I figured, you lied. What he said was.

"The last of the honourable military should come down on the bankers and crooked politicians, and war criminals and arreest the whole lot.... "

Arrest and Kill are two vastly different words. Good luck defending that! LMAO! Wow you really had a bad night eh? Go get some sleep. In the future why not stop with your BS misrepresentation of the facts. You sir have been BURNED!
edit on 1/15/2012 by BLKMJK because: This Shhhh cray


Hmmm. Well I guess if I only read part of the post I would get it wrong like you did too. What do you think American troops would be doing during a revolution? Mirandizing everyone? Who is going to decide guilt or innocence again? The military? Better look into that and see what reality tells you.

Yes arrest and revolution by an armed military are very different things but that is why I did not cherry pick like you did.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Oh yea Ron Paul supporters are such meanies...Sigh! What a bunch of prevaricating whiners... Lol



Well the nice Ron Paul supporter on ATS that is advocating armed revolution against fellow Americans sure sounds nicer than the Ron Paul supporter on ATS that advocated assaulting a woman because Ron Paul fans do not like the private company she works for's business model.

Sure sounds nice.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by WhereAreTheGoodguys
Likud,

Its obvious what you are doing. You are attacking spinning and taking stuff out of context while putting words in peoples mouths. Im supprised you have not been atleast PM'd by a mod yet. You are trying to get strong reactions from people, then attempting to turn it against them.

You have not made one attempt to discuss this intelligently at all without attacking or distorting.


Well none of that is true and that is why you have no examples.
Why do you all keep trying to lie to me about me? Does that fool you when people do it to you?


People are honestly afraid about the state of our country. Corruption and special intrest have a strangle hold on our system. Coorperations are buying politicians and making laws (Patriot Act and NDAA) This can not continue. Out of ALL the candidates there is only ONE who wants to stop exactly what I just said and its Ron Paul.


You were right all the way up to the last sentence. I have tried so hard to understand but none of you offered anything up. Ron Paul wants corporations to have more freedom. He wants the energy companies to continue fracking in my backyard. How does that restore power to the people when his own policy states that the energy companies will have more power to pollute my ground water?

EXPLAIN IT TO ME, PLEASE.

Just saying Ron Paul is the only one that can save us does not convince me. You need to help me understand why you believe that. I can say dogs will save us just as easily. Any dog. See, saying things is easy. Make it make sense.



I pray every day for the people that live in the countrys we are attacking, I pray every day our Military comes home safe and never have to kill another person. We need to restore hour honor to people around the world.


And my first reaction in this thread was to a Ron Paul supporter that does not want our troops "home" he wants them to remain on active duty and fight Americans. What point are you defending here?



What kind of world do you want to live in ?


While it may not be the one I live in now, it is sure as hell not one where people attack, insult, and pray for violence against me because I do not worship the same man other people do. So far, all Ron Paul supporters have shown me is that most of the rest of us have no place in their world. His policies all make sense once you realize his supporter advocate stoning people that conduct legal business that they do not like.


Need me to show that one to ya?



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Ron Paul can still win...how? (Write-in) votes.

Here is a list of past politicians that have won by (write-in) votes.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
You are disingenuous. The original comment said bring the troops home and come down on the bankers and politicians and "arrest" the whole lot.


You are flat out being deceptive. The poster clearly called for ARMED REVOLUTION. When you read the ENTIRE POST you see all the words used. Nowhere was it specified how guilt will be determined. You still have no idea how that is going to happen either do you?


There is a very big difference between arrest and kill is there not?


Yup and during an armed revolution where the military is sent out to collect arbitrary titles like "Banker" and "bad guy" how is that going to work out peacefully?



Many Ron Paul supporters can see the truth staring us in the face while many others still wish to ignore it but the fact is:

We have criminals who run this country. And until these criminals are held accountable for their crimes the system will only become more evil and twisted.


So the 74 year old clerk at my bank should be rounded up? Or her direct boss? Or that person's boss? How far up the latter do you go and what crime are you charging these people with?

See in reality, there are real people that these real soldiers will be going after with real guns. Sounds super peaceful to have an army decide who is guilty or innocent and apply justice.



The bankers betting on both sides of everything creating debt out of thin air then holdongcyou accountable for it while they get bailouts and assest grabs. Politicians using insider trading to become hundred millionaires.

Just as sure as a spade is a spade these people are the perpetraders of nephitism and corruption. The slave masters never left they just hide behind their corporations with tax exempt status atop mount olympus dictating policy.

See until their is only one Rulebook for everyone we have crap. Unfortunately we are rapidly evolving the other direction: a fascist dictatorship with nothing but big businesses political puppets.


How does this work for you? Is this how you became a fanatic? I know things are bad. I am not looking for people to repeat how bad things are and then just blindly say Ron Paul can fix it. I need to know how and not one post has even attempted that. Yes things are bad. How does that make Ron Paul my savior? Realistically?



Ron Paul supporters scare you?


Ones that advocate violence against anyone they do not agree with, yes. Ones that lash out angrily at anyone attempting to learn more about Ron Paul, yes. Ones that get mad and just tell me to go vote for someone else and go the # away, yes.
The last one is important. Why does it not scare you?
All these Ron Paul supporters are saying "You have questions? You do not just accept Ron Paul is perfect? Then go vote for Romney."
That actually scares me the most because if Ron Paul supporters believe telling people to go # off and vote for someone else is going to get Ron Paul elected then I do not even want these people operating motor vehicle or allowed outside without a helmet and a nanny.


Probably because it takes balls and integrity to say their is a serious problem and we need drastic change.


You are delusional. A Ron Paul supporter in this thread calls for military action against his fellow Americans and in another thread you have a Ron Paul supporter advocating bashing someone in the head with a rock because of their different opinion.
That is what you call balls? Shouting into the internet about how you want someone hurt because they do not worship Ron Paul? That is not balls at all. That is cowardly and pointless but sure does help me decide that perhaps Ron Paul fans are a scary bunch and since I do not like getting bashed in the head with rocks for my opinion I should probably just avoid you types altogether.

I seriously wanted to root for Ron Paul and find great reasons to put all my energy behind him. Instead I have been shown the door and told to take my thoughts elsewhere.

When Ron Paul loses again, you all sit around asking yourselves if telling people to vote for Romney helped or not. See if you can figure out if advocating stoning people in the name of Ron Paul is a good tactic or a bad one.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by zaintdead
 


Ron Paul can still win...how? (Write-in) votes.

Here is a list of past politicians that have won by (write-in) votes.

en.wikipedia.org...


I repeat....Ron Paul can still win...by (WRITE-IN) votes. I'm just saying.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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LOL at shills claiming they just wanted to ask a few questions and got treated meanly and they were just curious but now they want nothing to do with Ron Paul cause his supporters are scary and now they continue to spam the board bashing him due to his supporters.... Sigh! Yeah cause I guess it would be to easy to just go to his website read his plan and google his 30 year proven track record of complete honesty and integrity in the congress and discover he is a man who walks the talk unlike any other politician on the hill... Yep that would be too simple....

Oh and by the way to get back on topic He's not done yet. Many people have not won Iowa or NH and still won the presidency. We have a ways to go before we can conclude he is done with the Republican nomination anyway... But yeah it is still a long shot with the corruption up there.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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I wish people would pay more attention to congress, the speaker of the house, committee chairs, thier state government and local government

because

the potus is not as significant as he is made out to be when you get right down to it


he is the scapegoat in chief



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Yes, the latest troll is quite the master of logic. (sarcasm).
Like an OP that says Ron Paul has already lost, after 2 caucuses in minor states with Paul running second.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by hawkiye
 

Yes, the latest troll is quite the master of logic. (sarcasm).
Like an OP that says Ron Paul has already lost, after 2 caucuses in minor states with Paul running second.






Second is losing. McCain came in second in the last presidential election.

You act like there are levels of winning. There is just one winner and it is not the guy in second or third. Just the guy in first wins. That is it.




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