Absolutely shocking facts about the GOP, page 5

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THEY are the same rich folks you are defending by proxy, hell of a cognitive situation you have on
your hands...

Both you and Poet1b are operating on the assumption that those who have money are guilty of some trespass or moral lapse...automatically by default. and without any proof. That people who have invested, saved, earned, and done well are guilty ..by default.

I don't buy into this placebo...phony sugar pill fed to us by a wicked and deceitful leadership simply because I know that Wealth Redistribution is not RISK Redistribution.

People who have money are not automatically guilty of some moral lapse and do not automatically by default owe others without risk and without work.

I never hear leadership ..even Republican, so called conservative leadership, clarifying this simplicity thus telling me that the Republicans are also part of the problem out here.

What you two are doing is looking for bad guys here..and the government ...at least this current government ..is more than willing to feed you this good guy/bad guy template.

Those who can think for themselves know better than this good cop/bad cop ...good guy/ bad guy routine.

You two should know better than this...know much better. Though others have tried this good guy/ bad guy since but the most noteworthy of this method is a fellow named Adolph Hitler who fed his people a steady stream of bad guys and even put them in camps.

Isn't there some talk going around..even here on ATS about camps being set up here in America???

Are the Hitlers already here?? Along with the good guy/ bad guy support system??

People who have wealth are not automatically guilty of some moral and ethical trespass. Shame on you for assuming thus. Shame on our government for feeding us this drivel to keep and maintain power over a very ignorant and imperceptive people. Particularly when this very government..Republican and Democrat both have the ability to create money unlimited and spend it in the one economy that exists out here. For this Government itself is "The Rich".. ..while they keep us fighting amongst ourselves...they can outspend everyone out here..even outspend the so called rich.

Some of you need to wise up...alot.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

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We were talking about the socialists that are shaping policy in D.C, but you
keep ignoring that a great deal of monetary policy is formulated and written on behalf
of the financial industry, not La Raza... The bankers, who facilitate and fund capitalist
ventures are engaging in capitalism, those same bankers shape policy in DC based
upon their own interests which is banking. Tell me, when was the last time La Raza
lawyers penned a economic regulatory bill for DC lawmakers???

So again, you are changing the subject from economics to a racially centric group
that does not meddle in the financing of capitalism. Socialism is an economic system
and last I checked, banks do not support socialist doctrine because that would threaten
their profit or possibly, their entire existence.

reply to post by Recce1

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Classic Liberalism never believed in laissez-faire economic or free markets, that is a bunch of nonsense made up by modern day communists who have re-marketed communism as capitalism.

Classic Liberalism always believed, and still does, that banks should be kept in check to keep them from abusing the privileges they are granted through charters to control the monetary system.

Classic Liberalism firmly believed in regulating interstate commerce and conducting International treaties that represented the people of the U.S., not primarily international corporations as the current free market crowd concentrates on exclusively benefiting.

Once again, the laissez-faire economist people are communists, trying to pretend that they believe in market economics.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

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If it were not so, communists would not be spending so much time fighting free enterprise and private property.

The communists are embracing free market economics with a vengeance, see what the former communists nations, Russia and China, are busy doing. They haven't changed their ways, just their marketing campaign.

At what point in time do you free market preaching people realize how badly you have been duped?

reply to post by orangetom1999

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People who have wealth are not automatically guilty of some moral and ethical trespass.

Aren't they?

Who is responsible for the growing number of slave labors around the globe?

Who is responsible for the growing ecological and economic disaster that future generations face?

People who are extremely wealthy, in positions of power, are the ones driving the truck, who have the ability to change all of this, but instead they are trying to pick up speed as we race off the cliff.

It is not good guy verses bad guy, it is everyone who still has a shred of moral decency standing up for what is right, against a system controlled by the super rich that seems hell bent on self destruction.

Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

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We were talking about the socialists that are shaping policy in D.C, but you
keep ignoring that a great deal of monetary policy is formulated and written on behalf
of the financial industry, not La Raza... The bankers, who facilitate and fund capitalist
ventures are engaging in capitalism, those same bankers shape policy in DC based
upon their own interests which is banking. Tell me, when was the last time La Raza
lawyers penned a economic regulatory bill for DC lawmakers???

So again, you are changing the subject from economics to a racially centric group
that does not meddle in the financing of capitalism. Socialism is an economic system
and last I checked, banks do not support socialist doctrine because that would threaten
their profit or possibly, their entire existence.

Why do you insist on demonizing businesses which produce things and rationalize that la raza does no harm? You are sorely mistaken. It is likely that either you do not know what la raza is, or you agree to their policy of pushing for special treatment given to a specific demographic, many who are here illegally. This is ok in the liberal lexicon apparently.

But my point is that while the Occupiers are complaining so bitterly about corporations, they willingly ignore or defend other groups doing the same activiies. To suggest that a corporation has more influence than a group catering to a specific demographic is ludicrous at best. They both donate money and they both have influence.
Are you going to really sit there and tell me that one is ok and the other isn't?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

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If it were not so, communists would not be spending so much time fighting free enterprise and private property.

The communists are embracing free market economics with a vengeance, see what the former communists nations, Russia and China, are busy doing. They haven't changed their ways, just their marketing campaign.

At what point in time do you free market preaching people realize how badly you have been duped?

You mean former communist countries? If a person is embracing free market they are no longer communist. Please stop trying to convince me that communists are free marketeers. You are not making any sense at all. Are you for real?

reply to post by mastahunta

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Yes, I'm talking about Occupiers because that is who is going around noisily complaining about corporations these days. Even one of the news stations did a special on the Occupy movement. I guess it was CNN or one of those.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Thats crazy sauce right there. Great post and S&F.

As for the Awakes and the all seeing eye I wonder if thats were it originated and how it came to be on our currency?

The All-seeing eye is a masonic symbol. FDR was said to be a 33rd degree mason and had the symbol put on the one dollar bill. It would not be surprising that the darker faction of masons, the Illuminati who use that symbol for everything may have infiltrated both parties with operatives. Even DARPA used the Illuminati logo on their TIA webpage which later was removed.

Here it is in case you've never seen it

www.infowars.com...

reply to post by MarkJS

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I see what you are saying...time to put our people to work and come down hard on companies in the US that pay slave wages under the table to illegals or those with work visas. Just wanted to show you the minutes of the meeting so all could see why Rep voted against it, because they have their own version....that old mine's better than yours junk. So it is not that they were against the bill, but wanted their version instead which, from what I could gather had even more protections for us workers. It is such a complex, round and round system...completely set up to take average citizens out of the process. What the founding fathers proposed for our government has become completely corrupted in favor of career politicians, as usual greed and power wins. Thank you for taking the time to read me post.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

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Exactly...I would love to have a true conservative like Paul...but the defense issue and the liberal drug ideas of his make me very uneasy. Now hopefully if his time is not now his son will step up in the future. As long as O is out in 2012, I guess anyone is better than him for another 4 years.

Originally posted by timetothink
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Exactly...I would love to have a true conservative like Paul...but the defense issue and the liberal drug ideas of his make me very uneasy. Now hopefully if his time is not now his son will step up in the future. As long as O is out in 2012, I guess anyone is better than him for another 4 years.

With all do consideration, Ron Paul's opinions on controlled substances is very conservative. Both his personnel beliefs, as well as his opinions of governance both stay true to conservative values.

Personally, between you and me, it is a very Marxist, un-conservative thing to try and use force to control what another person does that you disagree with.

Rep. Ron Paul is personally against the usage of controlled substances as a Doctor(and as well a human being). But he recognizes how tyrannical your mind set is in regards to this issue and will not engage in such evil.

The thing is, your a sheep. Most people are sheep, heck most politicians are sheep, most CEO's etc.

People who are worried about ending the war on drugs(which seems fixated on just one thing really to protect several industries) because of the supposed legalization of the "hard stuff", are dumb.

As most controlled substances are (chemically made) poisons. Personally I think drug laws(and most law's) are the result of stupid people trying their hand at thinking.
People selling the chemically made stuff should be arrested for attempted man-slaughter(as anyone selling a known and potentially lethal poison for the purpose of human consumption would) and the people using it should be treated like attempted suicide cases.

No need to add new law's, or add tyrannical mindsets to society because you dislike if another person get's intoxicated(as it would force safer and safer alternatives).

Now let's take a look at the defense issue.

Would a real conservative agree with America being the global police? Would a real conservative support war mongering and war profiteering? Would a real Conservative support blank check diplomacy? Would a real Conservative be "OK" with willfully violating the Constitution in order to wage war?

The problem is, you aren't a conservative to begin with. So you and those like you, try to re-brand what Conservatism is to make yourselves feel better. And to hide the fact that you got a nasty Marxist streak inside of you.

Like an alcoholic that knows he or she needs to put the bottle down, you know in your heart that it isn't right to use force against others for the sake of lording over them. You need to put the Marxism down.

Continuing to engage in dialogue as you have is dishonest. Your deceiving not only yourself, but anyone you engage intellectual discourse with.

reply to post by orangetom1999

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The U.S. government doesn't force these corporations to pollute our environment, poison people. engage in slavery, steal peoples property, and the vast number of other crimes that corporations commit regularly from which the wealthy get their wealth.

Slavery is on the rise, odds are very good that the computer you are using, and mine, was made by slave labor in China. This is a reality I just recently became aware of.

The only role that governments have in all this, is the pollution created by the military, and allowing the corporations to do what they get by with doing.

I am saying that rich people need to start using their influence over government, by virtue of their wealth, to try to do some good in this world, instead of evil. There is a reason why the super wealthy of the U.S. have never been well liked, since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution created such a twisted class as tends to rule the corporate world.

The U.S. government has worked very well, and has succeeded exceptionally. That is the history of the U.S..

It is the ICs who are the poisoned pill in the mix. They are the problem that needs to be fixed.

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