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Iran: We have proof US behind assassination

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Listen kid, I said run for their money, not defeat. Start paying attention if you are going to talk with the adults. Your posts have no facts, only your opinions. I know you love the USA ( I have no problem with patriotism), but you seem like you just listen to whatever is reported by MSM about your government. Critical thinking. When someone brings up a point that you disagree with, research it. Don't respond with a knee jerk, it makes you like petty and small. Like I said earlier, your insipid posts are filler between the more respectable posters.

Edit: Still waiting on this:




just sat down, and will give you a detailed response on how I feel the US was forced into being the global police. You wont like it, since it was morals that forced us to be what we have become.

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Waiting 4 minutes, and I am the child?

Seriously, I am not allowed to share my opinion? If facts are the only things allowed here, we may have a problem.

Kid? Simply because my posts are not up to your standard? Do you really have to resort, to calling me a "kid" to show your displeasure with my "opinion'?

Maybe it is because I am new, maybe you treat anyone you disagree with like this, but I am under the impression that opinions are allowed here.



Start paying attention if you are going to talk with the adults.


I love how you type this, while implying that I am the immature one.

The following is my opinion: Iran wants a bomb. I do not want them to have a bomb. I think that anyone that stops them is great. I think that allot of people just disagree with the US, because it is the new "I'm enlightened, and your not" stance. I can not wait for WW3. I feel this planet and it's structure is extremely corrupt, and frankly broken. This planet needs a "reset"

Signed
The kid
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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The following is my opinion: Iran wants a bomb. I do not want them to have a bomb. I think that anyone that stops them is great. I think that allot of people just disagree with the US, because it is the new "I'm enlightened, and your not" stance. I can not wait for WW3. I feel this planet and it's structure is extremely corrupt, and frankly broken. This planet needs a "reset"


If you will recall, you stated you had to speak to me like you would your 3 year old, so don't puff out your chest yet tough guy.
I understand your opinion and it is yours to have. My opinion is: Iran wants the bomb. I don't see any problem with them having the bomb. If anyone tries to stop them, they better have gotten rid of their bombs first. I disagree with all hypocrites, not just the US. If you can't wait for WW3, well, may I be the first to say that I wish you luck when you sign up for the Army, Navy, whatever you are going to do. I love these armchair commandos. Talk about how great war is all the time, without ever doing anything.

Edit: you still never gave me your reasons.
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Advanced weapons systems have been deployed.


So why use asymmetrical warfare, taking out the program in tiny little bits and pieces. Massive airstrikes are the usual American way of war these days.


US and allied Special Forces as well as intelligence operatives are already on the ground inside Iran. US military drones are involved in spying and reconnaissance activities.


So why reveal their presence with strikes against unimportant targets? Do you suppose these scientists don't communicate with their peers or leave notes?


Bunker buster B61 tactical nuclear weapons are slated to be used against Iran in retaliation for its alleged nuclear weapons program. Ironically, in the words of US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Iran does not possess a nuclear weapons program. “Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.”


Your source.

Again, with bunker buster technology, wouldn't it be simpler simply to take the facilities out? They'd certainly get more scientists that way. As for Leon Panetta's statement, it has been widely circulated out of context. He is making a fine distinction between actually building a weapon and developing the ability to make such a weapon. Here is a more complete transcript:


SECRETARY LEON PANETTA: I think the international strategy here, and this really has been an international strategy to apply sanctions, to apply diplomatic pressure on them, to try to convince Iran that if, you know, they want to do what's right, they need to join the international family of nations and act in a responsible way. I think the pressure of the sanctions, I think the pressure of diplomatic pressures from everywhere -- Europe, United States, elsewhere-- is working to put pressure on them, to make them understand that they cannot continue to do what they're doing. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they're trying to develop a nuclear capability. And that's what concerns us. And our red line to Iran is do not develop a nuclear weapon. That's a red line for us.


fcnl.org...


Where is your skepticism when presstv makes a claim? Do you honestly think that the United States is the only country that would mount a false flag? It must be very frustrating for SAVAMA: MOSSAD gets all the glory and it looks like SAVAMA is powerless to stop them.


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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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It's pretty obvious who was behind this assassination. Let's see... who would want to attack Iran's nuclear capabilities?

Could it be...

1. The country who is most directly threatened by Iran? (Israel)

OR

2. The country who does all of Israel's dirty work? (USA)


Obviously the answer is USA. Why would Israel do this itself, when they just get their bitch (USA) to do it for them and avoid any immediate blowback?



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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I agree with most of what you have here. Here is the one thing I don't agree with.




As for Leon Panetta's statement, it has been widely circulated out of context. He is making a fine distinction between actually building a weapon and developing the ability to make such a weapon.


Canada has the ability to make such a weapon, however, Canada is part of the western countries and is seen as no threat. If Iran is enriching for medical purposes, then who are we to say they can't? I hope if they ever do build a bomb that they have the common sense not to use it though.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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I agree with most of what you have here. Here is the one thing I don't agree with.




As for Leon Panetta's statement, it has been widely circulated out of context. He is making a fine distinction between actually building a weapon and developing the ability to make such a weapon.


Canada has the ability to make such a weapon, however, Canada is part of the western countries and is seen as no threat. If Iran is enriching for medical purposes, then who are we to say they can't? I hope if they ever do build a bomb that they have the common sense not to use it though.


I feel like it's a nice excuse for them to use... It's not like they are going to come out to the world and say, " we are enriching to make WMD's"... What it comes down to is if you believe them or not....
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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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I feel like it's a nice excuse for them to use... It's not like they are going to come out to the world and say, " we are enriching to make WMD's"... What it comes down to is if you believe them or not....


That's right:

The US secretary of defense has said they are not making one, the IAEA has found no evidence of the "nuke building" and Iran has said they are not making one. The "enemy" says they don't and aren't making one, the "good guys" say they are not making one, and the "impartial 3rd party" says they have no evidence. It really is a no-brainer at this point.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Shermanator


The following is my opinion: Iran wants a bomb. I do not want them to have a bomb. I think that anyone that stops them is great. I think that allot of people just disagree with the US, because it is the new "I'm enlightened, and your not" stance. I can not wait for WW3. I feel this planet and it's structure is extremely corrupt, and frankly broken. This planet needs a "reset"

Signed
The kid
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Sorry but you really talk like a kid.
Iran wants a bomb, and you don't want them to have..Who the hell are you? Your country and many other countries have hunderds of atom bombs. And believe me your country did harm the world billions more than Iran.
It is time for you to read more and open your eyes.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Canada has the ability to make such a weapon, however, Canada is part of the western countries and is seen as no threat.


Canadians don't chant "Death to America." Iran is perfectly entitled to develop nuclear energy... the problem is that every time they declare their peaceful intent, they couple it with a hint that they could build a bomb if they really wanted to. Tehran specializes in mixed messages, and that's why even other Islamic nations don't trust them.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Canada has the ability to make such a weapon, however, Canada is part of the western countries and is seen as no threat.


Canadians don't chant "Death to America." Iran is perfectly entitled to develop nuclear energy... the problem is that every time they declare their peaceful intent, they couple it with a hint that they could build a bomb if they really wanted to. Tehran specializes in mixed messages, and that's why even other Islamic nations don't trust them.


Neither do all Iranians, this has been done ad nauseum on ATS and I am sure elsewhere.
Just because the couple it with a "hint" does not mean they deserve the sanctions nor to be attacked (which thank God hasn't happened yet).



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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If Iran was a terrorist state they would have been developing chemical weapons to be used by terrorists long before the development of Nuclear weapons. The idea that a country would use a Nuclear device on another only ensures it's own destruction and I highly doubt that the leadership nor the people of Iran are insane nor suicidal; people just want to live their lives and I like to think when it comes to matters of genocide and suicide, they are turned off.

I am still skeptical as to why most "terrorists" choose marks that are highly difficult to carry out. I would think that a terrorist in the purist sense would target things like a coliseum or packed church or power facility. Lightning tends to strike the same place and way repeatedly with the so called "terrorists".

Empire building requires a lot of deceit and death. All of this death and war is absolutely pointless to 99.999% of the population on this planet. I think I speak for a good portion of humanity when I say, I just want to live my life and have a good experience overall and not worry about psychopaths for oil and global domination breathing down my neck threatening my positive experience.



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posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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The idea that a country would use a Nuclear device on another only ensures it's own destruction and I highly doubt that the leadership nor the people of Iran are insane nor suicidal; people just want to live their lives and I like to think when it comes to matters of genocide and suicide, they are turned off.


Although most Iranians are neither insane nor suicidal, one cannot automatically assume that its leadership isn't. The country is run by Shi'a Twelvers. If they truly believe the doctrines of their sect, they believe they have nothing to lose. Historically, the "Revolutionary" government has been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its citizens' lives to no good purpose. They managed to repel Saddam's invasion after two years, then continued to try to struggle to conquer a bit of Iraqi soil for another six years. They didn't start the war, but they prolonged it long after they could have declared victory.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Although most Iranians are neither insane nor suicidal, one cannot automatically assume that its leadership isn't. The country is run by Shi'a Twelvers. If they truly believe the doctrines of their sect, they believe they have nothing to lose. Historically, the "Revolutionary" government has been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its citizens' lives to no good purpose. They managed to repel Saddam's invasion after two years, then continued to try to struggle to conquer a bit of Iraqi soil for another six years. They didn't start the war, but they prolonged it long after they could have declared victory.


Check out this post. It is my standby when people start to talk about Irans religious reasons for starting a war. The government may have been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its citizen's lives to no good purpose...but, what would you call the "War on Terror"? Back to the topic, I stand by what I said in the beginning.



posted on Jan, 16 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001

Historically, the "Revolutionary" government has been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its citizens' lives to no good purpose. They managed to repel Saddam's invasion after two years, then continued to try to struggle to conquer a bit of Iraqi soil for another six years. They didn't start the war, but they prolonged it long after they could have declared victory.


Good signal to Iran's enemies... "you know when you start screwing with us but then we'll tell you when we're finished".

There hasn't been another war against Iran since then. The approach seems to work.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Well there's truckloads of proof that Iran has been behind the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of civilian and military casualties in Iraq.

Who gives a crap. I hope we did manage to pull this off. +1 CIA



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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IMO.. this is "Iran" serving up a deliciously hilarious response to the US govts Iranian drug dealer alliance farce...intended to assassinate some Saudi dude some people consider important..

The US govt manufactures terrorist threats to be inflated into "fear fear fear, hate hate hate" propaganda.. big shocking surprise other sociopaths, like the ones in Iran who call themselves "leaders", use the same tools.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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Well there's truckloads of proof that Iran has been behind the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of civilian and military casualties in Iraq.

Who gives a crap. I hope we did manage to pull this off. +1 CIA


Just like there are "truck loads of proof" the USA was behind "deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of civilian and military casualties..".. Russian troops.. during the SOVIET military misadventure in Afghanistan.

Payback is a frik'n horny female dog sometimes eh?.. don't hate the player, hate the game. The SOVIET elite, like the US elite, play with other peoples kids.. was is business.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Good signal to Iran's enemies... "you know when you start screwing with us but then we'll tell you when we're finished".


I'm pretty sure you would thank me if I compared your attitude to Stalin's.


There hasn't been another war against Iran since then. The approach seems to work.


So you don't consider an economic blockade an act of war?



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by tangonine
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Well there's truckloads of proof that Iran has been behind the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of civilian and military casualties in Iraq.

Who gives a crap. I hope we did manage to pull this off. +1 CIA


Just like there are "truck loads of proof" the USA was behind "deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of civilian and military casualties..".. Russian troops.. during the SOVIET military misadventure in Afghanistan.

Payback is a frik'n horny female dog sometimes eh?.. don't hate the player, hate the game. The SOVIET elite, like the US elite, play with other peoples kids.. was is business.


I Won't argue with that one bit. Nor does it change my mind toward Iran. They're still the enemy.



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