False Flag - USS Vincennes

Press TV have an article out today saying that the US Vincennes may be used for a flase flag operation to get the Iran ball rolling. Going to be intersting when this excercise / war games begin in a few weeks.

Surely nobody in the world would believe such an incident?

Perry asserts: “an Iranian attack on an American military vessel will serve as a justification and a pretext for a retaliatory move by the US military against the Iranian regime.” However, Perry identifies “a US aircraft carrier” as the likely target of this imagined Iranian attack.

We beg to differ. There are major indications that the vessel of choice is to be the USS Vincennes. The fourth USS Vincennes (CG-49) is a US Navy Ticonderoga class Aegis guided missile cruiser. On July 3, 1988, the ship shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 civilian passengers on board, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children.

This would be an ideal vessel for the staged provocation as it could be easily sold to the world as having been Iranian retribution for the 1988 downing of Flight 655. That way the evident lack of motive for Iran to provoke the US and Israeli military will be replaced by a perceived “motive.” No one will stop to ask themselves why Iran would thereby engage itself in a major war.

Press TV

Im not sure what when and where something is going to happen but most all sides are saying the same thing..Something is going to happen! So I guess nobody will be surprised when it does ...peace

I might be wrong but was'nt uss vincennes supposed to have been decommissioned in 2005?

It was decommissioned, but supposedly been towed out of its US port under the cover of darkness.

Can see logic, the US wont want to have a nice new ship get attacked, so use one that was going to get scrapped anyway.

It was also the ship that shot down an Iran airbus passenger plane. Iran could be seen to be retaliating for that incident by attacking that particular ship.

Then again like everything, could be pie in the sky. Time will tell.

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I`m sure the incident has been pre-planned for many years to come...i want out...there is no way out...i feel sorry for my children.

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im sure your right , nobody should believe something like this but we've to remember most people think governments tell the truth.

if you look through history people get roped in through things like this all the
time.

e.g

en.wikipedia.org...(ACR-1)

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.

World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations. The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil. The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbor these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service. The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration. Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both had served in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the southwest. These commanders have yet to be rehabilited by the Pentagon.

Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea. Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in. The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war. Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam in 1975.

time to blow the dust off our little national flags and get waving friends

Well i have no doubt that something will happen. The US is sending 15,000 troops to Kuwait, as well as aircraft, and other equipment, along with a second aircraft carrier to the gulf of Hormuz, all because of the uncertainty that is Israel.

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On 9 July 2010, a contract to scrap Vincennes was issued to International Shipbreaking, Brownsville, Tx.[3] As of 21 Nov 2010, Ex-Vincennes arrived via Panama Canal to International Shipbreaking in Brownsville, Texas. The Vincennes was completely scrapped by 23 November 2011.[4]

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Well since the mighty Vincennes is in razor blades I doubt she is attacking anyone or being sunk on purpose.

More BS from an Iranian based source. Please do some research before posting something so easily debunked.

My apologies folks,

Note to self, must do more research.

The article says that an inactive 'Ticonderoga class AEGIS missile cruiser' got towed out under the cover of darkness.

27 were built and many seem to still be in service. From what I can research, there are a few of these types of ship sitting ready waiting for decomissioning. Looks like the Ticonderoga, Thomas S Gates and the Yorktown.

Ticonderoga Class Info

The Yorktown is intersting as it features in the Tom Clancy novel 'Executive Orders'. Quote below from Wikipedia with regards to the novel.

In the Tom Clancy novel Executive Orders (1996), Yorktown is one of several naval vessels assigned the task of escorting several Bob Hope-class vehicle cargo ship roll-on/roll-off ships to Saudi Arabia.

The cruiser is damaged by a Silkworm missile during an Iranian air raid in the Persian Gulf.

Could they use a similar ship and change the identification number on the ships bow.