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Ex-Israeli Intelligence Officer: “Pearl Harbor” Style Attack Will Be Pretext For War On Iran

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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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This article is an Alex Jones' "Prison Planet" interpretation of an article written by ex Israeli intelligence officer named Avi Pery. The article does stretch things a bit but it also raises some interesting points that deserve to be looked at. The Prison Planet article claims that the Avi Perry is hinting towards a U.S. Pearl Harbor type false flag event on one of it's own ships in the Persian gulf as a pretext to war with Iran.

The Alex Jones article can be read here.

The Jerusalem Post article from Avi Perry can be read here.

The main thing that caught my attention in the Prison Planet article is how they point out that Perry uses quotations around "surprise" when he talks about a Pearl Harbor type event on American ships. I would probably have never caught this in the J-Post article if Prison Planet didn't point it out.

As I said perhaps PP is trying a little too hard to connect the dots on this one but if you consider the history of false flag events in our recent past as a justification for war this isn't that far of a stretch. This theory should definitely not be considered as fact but instead as a mere possibility.

The stage is being set for an Iranian retaliation, if something were to happen even the most die hard conspiracy theorist would have to at least consider that Iran actually did attack.

I point this out because there are a lot of people (including myself) who automatically question these type of events due to false flags from the past, the most obvious being USS liberty. But this time, if an American ship were to be attacked a lot of people won't scream false flag as quick as they used to since Iran is being bullied by the Western world and it's allies with threats of war and sanctions.

The fact that Iran has recently been threatening retaliations certainly adds validity to the claims in the article that indicates the time is ripe for false flag type event.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Like with Japan. This won't be a false flag operation.
It will be a strike initiated by Iran. Because we put them in a corner and they will feel it's their only way out.

I think that Iran doesn't really need all that much provocation to attack anyways.


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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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I partially agree with the first part of your post but the following part not so much:



I think that Iran doesn't really need all that much provocation to attack anyways.


Iran has been put through hell, but please tell me when is the last time they attacked someone?

Imagine if the U.S. or Israel had been bullied as much as Iran has lately, what would their reaction be?

I think Iran has done a good job of keeping it's cool.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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If they outright attacked someone their country would be invaded. They aren't stupid. That doesn't mean they don't supply people/weapons to other groups under the table. I'm sure you believe the US does it, and probably Israel. Why wouldn't you believe Iran does it as well?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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When is the last time they attacked someone? Really? You've never heard of Hezbollah or Hamas? Iran attacks almost yearly and has done so for quite sometime.



Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by grey580
 


I partially agree with the first part of your post but the following part not so much:



I think that Iran doesn't really need all that much provocation to attack anyways.


Iran has been put through hell, but please tell me when is the last time they attacked someone?

Imagine if the U.S. or Israel had been bullied as much as Iran has lately, what would their reaction be?

I think Iran has done a good job of keeping it's cool.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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I don't recall saying Iran never sold anyone weapons, but it's unlikely that it happens as much as the media and Western governments say. The reason I say this is because Iran has to deal with what goes on in the region and supplying militant groups weaponry will only cause more unrest in their own neighborhood.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but there are several terrorist groups that have foreign ties that are in a constant struggle to overthrow the current Iranian regime. All governments do deals under the table and I doubt that Iran is any different it's just they have to be more careful since they have to deal with the long term consequences of turmoil in the region.

Iran rarely benefits from turmoil, meanwhile Israel and the U.S. are the ones who usually benefit in various ways from all the unrest in this region.
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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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You're presenting your opinion as fact. I've heard all about these groups and their ties to Iran. Hamas is a democratically elected group who has taken up peace and Hezbollah is primarily a defensive force. Once Israel or the U.S. attack, Hezbollah will help Iran retaliate. Hezbollah has been rather quiet lately, but that may change since the West keeps sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong.

I don't see Hezbollah invading countries with airplanes and dropping bombs on whole cities. It looks like the West are bigger terrorists than Hezbollah now that you mention it.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Its a puzzle in many ways ...Solving the mystery is only half the battle ,trying to put the puzzle together is not going to happen on ATS ...It wouldn't matter if anyone knew the whole truth ,this site wont let it remain on the pages ...I went on a thread this morning and went to the link to read ,,well when I got back the thread was gone ...peace



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Haven't read the article, will in just a second.

I don't typically by into the "false flag" bits. But we are kind of putting Iran in a corner, (and they are half nuts) so flalse flag or not something very likely will happen this year i feel (2012 notwithstanding!).

We will have 2 carriers on station by the end of the month (one of those is departing, but it is not uncommon if needed for it to extend it's tour while it's replacement is on station) and with the Lincoln replacing Stennis there could be 3 carriers for period of several weeks. The French carrier is supposed to be heading that way. The US/Isreali Air Defense exercise will greatly expand the ability to defend Isreal from air and missile attack.

Even if something isn't "planned" they sure seem to be getting ready for any eventuallity.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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I tend to agree with what you're saying here. I think it's entirely likely that an attack on U.S. ships could start the fight, but like you, I question whether it would be a false flag at all. Pearl Harbor was more the product of pushing Japan into a corner they had little choice but to come out fighting from. Not that I argue the logic of the times... but this is looking like the same thing.

As you note, the attack we may see could be 100% legitimate as coming from Iran and Iranian forces, after Obama has spent weeks pushing, shoving and poking until they couldn't take any more of it.


They seem to be taking this assassination of the nuke scientist especially hard this time for some reason (not the first time it happened, after all). Maybe this is the straw...or maybe it's the next move Israel or Washington comes up with to poke them next...but it'll come soon enough by that alone. No false flag required, indeed.

The ironic thing is....I'm no friend to the Iranian regime. Not a bit. However, Obama doesn't need to START a war we may see come either way. All this work to get the shooting started is really not necessary or appreciated by the world, I'm sure.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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It's one of those things where if something happens it will be very difficult to decide what happened no matter how hard we try or how smart we think we are. The BS has been piled up so much that if someone were to appear with a pair of blue shoes, and then went on to claim that these shoes were actually blue, I still would question it. I have criticized the West a lot lately, but I do give them credit for putting on a good psy op.

They have us all on our toes wondering WTH is going on.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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I think if Iran goes through with such an attack on American naval power their best bet would be a massive missile attack along with those little missile boats and anything else they can afford to loose. That would fit the bill for a "peral harbor" type incident. I wonder if the people who pull strings in the navy would manipulate circumstances to make such an attack more likely and effective?



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Just because they have not.
Does not necessarily mean they will not.

For the past several hundred years they have not invaded anyone.
However they have been involved in proxy terrorism for some time.

And now they seriously rattle the saber by threatening to close the strait of hormuz.
If they go through with the closing the strait that will escalate things.
Probably with them firing the fist shot.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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I think Iranian government has been acting with much patience and that will be what US govt will lose.

US govt has tested any way to condemn or accuse Iran on the crimes that were not committed , but Iran is getting success after success.

And if American people are silly enough that they will be involved in another war made by elites , so be it.

They will harvest what they plant on here and in the other side.

 


Off topic. There was once a time that I was thinking American people are miss-informed about Middle East , but now , I see , sometime they are more informed than I do.

But they choose to ignore the facts that disturbs them and they like to trust their government at last.

It is like :

I govt they trust.

This is a general idea.

So ,, maybe some ATS members are excepted.

regards.
hmdphantom.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Iran does not have to attack anyone.

Israel will do the dirty work. They hate Iran worse than anybody else.

Mossad, CIA, MI6 will jointly blow up some rust bucket and simply provide proof that Iran did it.

OR,

They will show falsed-up pictures of such a fabricated event !
Complete with blind "eyewitnesses".
(sound familiar?)

The CeeB.S. network will actively cooperate with such Hollywood productions.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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In my opinion if Iran were to strike any of the Western targets in the region it would be justified as retaliation due to everything they have been put through as of lately.


I do not condone any action from either side but it's way out of my hands, I just call it as I see it and Iran is being cornered and it's only a matter of time before they might do something. Regrettably this is what the West wants and they will most likely get their way eventually, if Iran doesn't take the bait I'm confident the West has a few tricks up their sleeve as the PP article in the OP suggests. It's not like they haven't faked things in the past in order to advance their agenda.


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posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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My opinion is that despite the sanctions against it, and the assassinations of nuclear scientists within it, Iran will take the high road and not initiate an attack against the U.S. unless their borders are crossed. There's a high likelihood that the U.S. will run out of patience in reaction to Iran's demonstrated restraint and go to plan B.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Look at what I just saw on another thread...

EXCLUSIVE: U.S. harassed by Iranian boats

How predictable is that?

If Iranian boats would have come anywhere near American boats, the Americans would have blown them out of the water.

This is just propaganda.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sek82
My opinion is that despite the sanctions against it, and the assassinations of nuclear scientists within it, Iran will take the high road and not initiate an attack against the U.S. unless their borders are crossed. There's a high likelihood that the U.S. will run out of patience in reaction to Iran's demonstrated restraint and go to plan B.


I agree. Iran knows that the US/Israel is just looking for an excuse to strike, so they're not going to give them one. Same with the their threats to block the Straights - no way will they do that...not in a million years.

I think whatever happens it will come out of the blue from Israel. We might wake up in the morning to find that they've bombed Iran's nuclear facilities. No warning, no specific provocation from Iran, no real tipping point....just Israel deciding the time is right.



posted on Jan, 13 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Propaganda according to you.
Here's some knowledge for you. Believe it or not there's actually rules to follow, and things aren't just 'blown out of the water'

www.usnwc.edu...



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